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What is house baelish' sigil?


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#1 Firefawkz

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:30 PM

Is it a mocking bird or is it the titan of braavos? 



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:35 PM

It used to be the Titan until Petyr changed it to a mockingbird.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:36 PM

It used to be the Titan until Petyr changed it to a mockingbird.

 

Oh, i must have missed that being explained :/ 

 

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:36 PM

It used to be the Titan until Petyr changed it to a mockingbird.

 

I always thought the mockingbird was more of his personal sigil, whereas the Titan remains the house sigil?



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:38 PM

Interesting. I was about to answer "Titan of course, Mockingbird is just Petyr's personal sigil", but after checking the source I'm not so sure anymore. Petyr gives us this:

Above the hearth hung a broken longsword and a battered oaken shield, its paint cracked and flaking.

The device painted on the shield was one Sansa did not know; a grey stone head with fiery eyes, upon a light green field. "My grandfather's shield," Petyr explained when he saw her gazing at it. "His own father was born in Braavos and came to the Vale as a sellsword in the hire of Lord Corbray, so my grandfather took the head of the Titan as his sigil when he was knighted."

"It's very fierce," said Sansa.

"Rather too fierce, for an amiable fellow like me," said Petyr. "I much prefer my mockingbird."


So did Petyr take the mockingbird as his personal sigil only and leave his grandfather's shield up just for tradition's sake, or did he completely change the sigil of his house? I think the former is more likely because of Petyr's use of "my mockingbird", but it's not as straightforward as I thought when I went to answer.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:41 PM

House Baelish of the Fingers- Titan of Bravos
House Baelish of the Riverlands- Mockingbird

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:44 PM

 

I always thought the mockingbird was more of his personal sigil, whereas the Titan remains the house sigil?

 

I'm not completely sure about that, but because Petyr is the only one of his family left (as far as I know) I think it amounts to the same thing.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:48 PM

http://lmgtfy.com/?q...r baelish sigil



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:49 PM

 

I'm not completely sure about that, but because Petyr is the only one of his family left (as far as I know) I think it amounts to the same thing.

Not the same thing, if it's only his personal sigil, it won't "pass" to his sons and aughters (if he ever have one). If he changed the House sigil, then his sons/daughters will have to use it. That's how I always thought it was at least


Edited by franko99, 24 November 2013 - 12:50 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:51 PM

I'm not completely sure about that, but because Petyr is the only one of his family left (as far as I know) I think it amounts to the same thing.


Well, it would have some practical implications now that he supposedly has a daughter - will she get a colour reversed mockingbird or a colour inversed Titan's head?

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:56 PM

Not the same thing, if it's only his personal sigil, it won't "pass" to his sons and aughters (if he ever have one). If he changed the House sigil, then his sons/daughters will have to use it. That's how I always thought it was at least

 

I know that, I meant to say that he would presumably pass his sigil on to any children he has, so it effectively is House Baelish's sigil, but if he had any aunts/uncles/cousins etc. then they would probably still use the Titan.


Edited by northernmonkey, 24 November 2013 - 12:56 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:58 PM

 

hilarious, but as you can see theres some confusion about what it is :)



#13 The Dornishman's Widow

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:03 PM

For what it's worth, the wiki claims House Baelish of Harrenhal's sigil are mockingbirds and House Baelish of the Fingers is the Titan. However, the Citadel only recognizes one House Baelish, from the Vale, with the mockingbirds. Plural, btw.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:17 PM

I thought his sigil would have been something akin to the Mormonts - perhaps something like this?



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:19 PM

Doesn't matter. You'll all burn.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:21 PM

I thought his sigil would have been something akin to the Mormonts - perhaps something like this?

 

 

Doesn't matter. You'll all burn.

 

HA!



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:32 PM

You could go to the wiki for that.

 

Eta: Ten more posts :)


Edited by Sordelor, 24 November 2013 - 01:32 PM.


#18 Firefawkz

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:37 PM

You could go to the wiki for that.

 

Eta: Ten more posts :)

 

I thought this was a discussion forum? i was asking because different sources suggest different sigils. 



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:05 PM

Well, it would have some practical implications now that he supposedly has a daughter - will she get a colour reversed mockingbird or a colour inversed Titan's head?

Neither - Alayne isn't legitimated.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:10 PM

Neither - Alayne isn't legitimated.

 

She could have a cadete dynasty. Starklish, or baestarks. with a direwolf humping the titan while eating a mockingbird