LittleJon Umber Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 On re-reading ADWD i found it odd that a drunken Manderley would shout about the Rat King. At the end of the feast to celebrate Ramsey & (f)Arya's wedding, news arrived that Stannis was on the march and Roose called for the bedding so that he and the other Lords could discuss strategy. Manderley was being carried out of the room and he was shouting requests to Abel (Mance Rayder) for songs. I was drawn to his numerous requests/ mumbles for one about the rat king. "As the Lord of the Dreadfort slipped out, attended by the three maesters, other lords and captains rose to follow. Hothor Umber, the gaunt old man called Whoresbane, went grim-faced and scowling. Lord Manderley was so drunk he required four strong men to help him from the hall. 'We should have a song about the Rat Cook,' he was muttering, as he staggered past Theon, leaning on his knights. 'Singer, give us a song about the Rat Cook'." Was this a reference to Bolton and how he plans to murder those (Manderley and Lady Dustin - possible threats) who have shared his bread and salt? Alternatively, he could be refering to the Red Wedding, where Bolton conspired with the Freys and Iron Throne to murder a guest (Robb/Catelyn/his son) under Frey's roof. Could this be about himself? He supplied the bread and salt yet plots the downfall of the Boltons. This seemed an odd topic for a song at a wedding feast and it struck me that, if there are songs about the Rat King, they are unlikely to be joyful/celebratory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adara Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Always thought, this was about the Frey-pies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrich Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The Rat Cook was a reference to the Frey Pies - as it were the Freys who violated Guest right - and now are eating each other. Just like the Rat Cook did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleJon Umber Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 I must have missed that, so its assumed that the missing freys are in the pies? Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borsabil Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Yeah I think so, he was feeding the Freys to the guests and I suppose heartily tucking into them himself. Old too fat to sit a horse is one serious badass under all that blubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adara Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Yes, it's only assumed, but very likely. At least Manderey is very eager, that every Frey gets a slice. And they are described as "human-sized". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pellinore Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I had a girlfriend in high school that would admit to bad behavior in a smart-ass, sarcastic way so people would dismiss it. I believe those pies had a savory Frey -filling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Rayne Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 There's no pork like longpork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Pintur Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Yep old lazy good for nothing Lord Too Fat to Sit a Horse Manderly ends up being one of the craziest BAMF Stark loyalists and gives us one of the best acts of revenge ever. Whether its Skagos and cannibals,Bolton with flaying,Old God blood sacrifice or tricking someone into eating their kin, The Northerners take shit to a different level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 On re-reading ADWD i found it odd that a drunken Manderley would shout about the Rat King. At the end of the feast to celebrate Ramsey & (f)Arya's wedding, news arrived that Stannis was on the march and Roose called for the bedding so that he and the other Lords could discuss strategy. Manderley was being carried out of the room and he was shouting requests to Abel (Mance Rayder) for songs. I was drawn to his numerous requests/ mumbles for one about the rat king. "As the Lord of the Dreadfort slipped out, attended by the three maesters, other lords and captains rose to follow. Hothor Umber, the gaunt old man called Whoresbane, went grim-faced and scowling. Lord Manderley was so drunk he required four strong men to help him from the hall. 'We should have a song about the Rat Cook,' he was muttering, as he staggered past Theon, leaning on his knights. 'Singer, give us a song about the Rat Cook'." Was this a reference to Bolton and how he plans to murder those (Manderley and Lady Dustin - possible threats) who have shared his bread and salt? Alternatively, he could be refering to the Red Wedding, where Bolton conspired with the Freys and Iron Throne to murder a guest (Robb/Catelyn/his son) under Frey's roof. Could this be about himself? He supplied the bread and salt yet plots the downfall of the Boltons. This seemed an odd topic for a song at a wedding feast and it struck me that, if there are songs about the Rat King, they are unlikely to be joyful/celebratory.In his final conversation with Davos, Manderly makes clear his loathing for the Freys, and his willingness to aid Stannis, now that his son has returned safe. He makes the point about giving them guest-gifts, on their departure, to show they no longer have any claim to his protection under guest-right.Then, we learn from Reek that the three Freys have disappeared. And then, Manderly turns up at Winterfell with three huge pies, amongst other foodstuffs. Calling for the song about the Rat Cook (forced to eat his own young, after violating guest-right) is a strong clue about what the pies contain.You'll never look at a Frey Bentos pie in the supermarket the same way, after reading ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Wolf Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Yep old lazy good for nothing Lord Too Fat to Sit a Horse Manderly ends up being one of the craziest BAMF Stark loyalists and gives us one of the best acts of revenge ever. Whether its Skagos and cannibals,Bolton with flaying,Old God blood sacrifice or tricking someone into eating their kin, The Northerners take shit to a different level.Haha don't mess with the north! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Drake Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I like how in the other part of the forum the shows' Thenn cannibalism is considered awful and disgusting whereas Manderly is badass for serving Frey Pies :) . I feel bad for the way they portrayed Thenns in the show if I may add. I considered them the last vestiges of the First Men civilazation north of the wall (with Starks being the last remnants of the First Men south of it). Certainly goes to show what it takes to rule the North... To have fiercely loyal bannermen in mutherf*kers like Umbers, Mormonts and Manderly's and to keep the likes of Boltons under your heel shows you are one seriously bad ass. Back on topic (sort of) - am I the only one who fears that Maderly's plot with finding Rickon isn't all that well and good? I mean, I learned from GRRM that everyone is tempted to play the Game of Thrones (even if its 'only' the Throne in the North). Manderly could want to get to Rickon so that he can either influence the boy King (perfectly justifiable) or (more underhandedly) replace him with a "Rickon" of his own... I mean no-one heard of Rickon for quite a while or can say with certainty how he looks now. It's not a theory or anything, and I hope I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illusive_Man Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Would you consider a Frey protected by guest rights in White Harbour? The Freys were clearly a threat to Manderley. After all his son was captured and the Freys were the eyes and ears for the Iron Throne. Plus the Frey's own betrayal of guest rights would nullify any guest rights they would have recieved to many people I would believe, especially to any Northern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Would you consider a Frey protected by guest rights in White Harbour? The Freys were clearly a threat to Manderley. After all his son was captured and the Freys were the eyes and ears for the Iron Throne. Plus the Frey's own betrayal of guest rights would nullify any guest rights they would have recieved to many people I would believe, especially to any Northern.Lord Manderly thought they were protected by guest-right. Hence, his emphasis that they ceased to be guests once he gave them gifts on departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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