I've noticed i'm one of the rare few that actually believe that Aegon is in fact the legitimate son of Rhaegar, prince of the Iron Throne. The forum choosing instead to follow the popular Blackfyre theory which i find to have glaring contradictions.
How did Varys know Aegon's corpse would be unrecognizable?
Varys had spies everywhere, him knowing about Aerys's Wildfire plot wouldn't be that far fetched. And what does fire do to people? It burns them, Wildfire turns them to
ash. It wouldn't that far fetched for Varys to rely on the wildfire making the Pisswater prince's corpse unrecognizable.
The fact that Gregor Clegane was brutal enough to bash his head was simply a stroke of luck for Varys.
Elia could plausibly been on it.
If Elia was capable of getting the fake child to survive, it would mean her own son would get to live. Protecting the Pisswater Prince automatically meant protecting her own child. She knew (or thought) that, should the Pisswater Prince die, Aegon would never be able to live his live normally.
Again, Rhaenys was a girl, no harm to anyone, least of all Robert, who could have kept her as a hostage to (1) ensure the loyalty of all Targaryen loyalists, and (2) ensure the loyalty of Dorne. She would have remained a hostage, until Robert had a son of his own old enough to marry her, uniting the blood lines and ensuring the security of the future reign.
If Elia believed this was what would happen to Rhaenys, than it would explain why Aegon's safety seemed (!) more important to her at the moment.
Finding substitutes for a baby is easy, not so much for a full-grown adult and a young toddler. And Varys didn't want Aerys to notice that they were gone, a man as
paranoid as he was would have left guards watching them at all times.
Thus it would have been impractical for Varys and Co to rescue them too.
As for the silly argument that Elia not running to protect Rhaenys disproves Aegon's reality, let me remind you that they were in completely different rooms and that Gregor
Clegane was in the holdfast by the time the sack began.
And that maternal instinct applies to every infant, no matter whether it's another woman's or not (would you leave a baby out to die simply because it isn't yours?)
Politically, Rhaenys and Elia weren't of much value. Leaving her Elia to die inflammated Dorne against the Lannisters pretty hard. Also see above quote.
Varys and Illyrio's original plan.
Whilst giving the Dragon eggs to Dany, Illyrio wasn't expecting them to hatch.
Their full plan was to marry Dany to Khal Drogo, getting Viserys an army to invade Westeros with, no matter at which time.
Said invasion would be brutal, towns sacked, women raped, men killed, children enslaved earning Dany and Viserys's the hatred of Westeros.
Enter Aegon and the Golden Company (hired by Illyrio), they defeat the Dothraki, kill Viserys's and Dany. Earning the gratitude of the nobles and commoners alike.
They crown him King and Varys and Illyrio get to rule Westeros through a puppet.
Varys doesn't seem like a Targ loyalist to me.
Believe it or not he is, people say he nurtured Aerys's paranoia regarding Rhaegar. People ignore the fact that Rhaegar really was planning to overthrow his father.
He also urged Aerys to not open the gates of KL.
Why would the GC fight for Aegon?
"Black or Red, a dragon is still a dragon."
Not to mention the fact that the male line of the Blackfyres has been dead for over 40 years.
Lummel, on 20 Dec 2013 - 3:09 PM, said:
I am surprised that people believe this Pisswater Bend story which, if you pardon my French, seems to be taking the Pisswater Bend itself.
It is a tale told to us directly by Aegon, who can't have remembered it himself and was presumably either told to him by Illyrio or indirectly by Jon Connington none of whom were witnesses to the events. Perhaps the tales goes back to Varys, who of course has no vested interest in the story whatsoever and can be considered to be completely honest, objective and trustworthy in this situation!
It requires us to believe that:
Varys either persuaded Elia that the situation was dangerous enough to agree to the babyswap yet not so dangerous that she and Rhaenys needed to be rescued, or that Varys was lurking in wait in one of the secret passages and executed the swap as soon as he knew the sack was taking place and before the swap could be notice - (yet decided to abandon Elia and Rhaenys who under the Targaryen system would presumably have been intended to be little Aegon's bride)
That a ship was waiting all casual like at the docks for Varys to use - a ship that nobody apparently noticed and that later disappeared without a trace or a hint of the escape getting out even though in ADWD we learn that Illyrio can only get a couple of years of silence from the crew that smuggled out Tyrion by sending the ship to the other side of the world. Why would there need to be a ship on hand? Varys easily could have hidden Aegon in the Red Keep in the secret passages, or somewhere in the city, until a ship had arrived. And the people on the ship who could tell the tales? Well, nobody lives forever, and sometimes, you can speed that moment up a bit for them.
That staff were on hand, at least one wetnurse, guards?, Servants? a steward? All of whom are conveniently silent too since there's never been a rumour of Aegon living knocking about in the story. At the Wall, there was a baby but no wetnurse, and the child was fed with goat milk until a wetnurse was found. If it can be done at the Wall, it can most certainly be done at KL.
That Varys does this because, well why? He is certainly not a loyalist otherwise he would have saved Elia and Rhaenys too, nor would Daenerys and Viserys have been abandoned only to be integrated into the plan with the intention that Viserys dies and Daenerys is ruled out of contention through marriage to a barbarian. Perhaps he does it because he likes to troll people for decades on end? Elia's death would have inflammed the Dornish more than her being alive would have done. There was no reason for Rhaenys to get killed. Also, Dany and Viserys were followed around by hired knives all their lives, but never caught. Why? Because Viserys was so very good in fighting? In plotting? No, because of something else. There is no evidence for it, but it's not entirely impossible that Varys and/or Illyrio were involved.
"It was Ser Amory who brought me the girl’s body, if you must know. He found her hiding under her father’s bed, as if she believed Rhaegar could still protect her. Princess Elia and the babe were in the nursery a floor below"
This is all that is known about the position of the nursery, and it's relative distance to Rhaegar's rooms.
I have to thus conclude, that Aegon can be Real, despite what forum says.
Edited by SuperTechmarine, 20 December 2013 - 12:15 PM.