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Will House Greyjoy become extinct?


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#1 Lord of Dragonstone

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:35 AM

Theon - castrated, and doesn't have any children that we know of due to his escapades in his youth.

Euron - Has some "mongrel" children but even he admits they aren't fit to carry on his line, and it's doubtful the Ironborn would follow them anyways. He plans to marry Daenerys, but who actually thinks that's going to happen, and even if it does Daenerys is probably infertile.

Damphair - a Priest, so can't marry/have children

Asha - Probably has a good chance of eventually settling down with someone and having children, although whether they'd be considered Greyjoys is up for debate.

Victarion - Never got over losing his first wife and doesn't show any inclination to try and have a son with which to continue his line. Might also try to marry Daenerys but again it's extremely unlikely he has any children by her even if he does force-marry her after killing Hizdahr.

Anyways, what do you think? Will House Greyjoy be extinct or almost extinct by the end of ASOIAF?

#2 Sordelor

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:39 AM

Thz main branch has a big chance of being destroyed indeed.

 

Tough I hope not.


Edited by Sordelor, 28 December 2013 - 11:50 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:40 AM

i wouldnt be surprised if they all end up dead except damphair (who might already be dead)

so it does not look good for them.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:45 AM

Asha will do a Mormont & have kids called Greyjoy.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:48 AM

snipe

 

Theon - is it confirmed that he's castrated? Anyway, it's likely he had at least two kids (now dead) so it's highly possible he could have more, given how randy he was. The captain's daughter on the way to Pyke is just one example.

 

Euron - Mongrels aside, IIRC Daenerys menstruates near the end of ADWD, not that I think it's likely they'll ever hook up.

 

Aeron - vows can be put aside, and I am unsure as to whether he would be willing to do so to continue House Greyjoy.

 

Asha - best bet as far as I'm aware, and I think she would probably rule in her own right and name and leave the father out of it.

 

Victarion - seems like a dead-end to me too. No more likely than Euron to have an heir.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:56 AM

 

Theon - is it confirmed that he's castrated? 

 

yes



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:01 PM

Theon - is it confirmed that he's castrated? Anyway, it's likely he had at least two kids (now dead) so it's highly possible he could have more, given how randy he was. The captain's daughter on the way to Pyke is just one example.
 
Euron - Mongrels aside, IIRC Daenerys menstruates near the end of ADWD, not that I think it's likely they'll ever hook up.
 
Aeron - vows can be put aside, and I am unsure as to whether he would be willing to do so to continue House Greyjoy.
 
Asha - best bet as far as I'm aware, and I think she would probably rule in her own right and name and leave the father out of it.
 
Victarion - seems like a dead-end to me too. No more likely than Euron to have an heir.


It's strongly implied Theon's been castrated and the show(Ducks for cover!) pretty much confirms that as well. If he does have any kids, we haven't heard of them, and there would need to be pretty strong evidence for them to be able to continue his line

I can't imagine Aeron putting aside his vows, even if the Drowned God Religion allows that.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:25 PM

I can't imagine Aeron putting aside his vows, even if the Drowned God Religion allows that.


Do the Drowned Men actually swear celibacy, though?

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:31 PM

It's strongly implied Theon's been castrated and the show(Ducks for cover!) pretty much confirms that as well. If he does have any kids, we haven't heard of them, and there would need to be pretty strong evidence for them to be able to continue his line

I can't imagine Aeron putting aside his vows, even if the Drowned God Religion allows that.

The show is not a valid source of reference for the books. It's perfectly plausible that they would castrate him for shock value even if he goes on to have kids in the books (unlikely), because whether or not House Greyjoy is still in existence at the end of the series is one of those small things they can change without it affecting the main plot.

 

As FVR said, is he celibate?

 

In any case, if Stannis can get Jon off the wall and legitimised, then a King can do the same to Aeron. Also bear in mind that at some point, Aeron could very well be the heir to the Seastone throne.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:39 PM

I'm sure if Vic or Aeron become King they will try to continue the line. If Theon hadn't been castrated in the books, i'm sure GRRM would have said something by now, he is quite vocal on the fact the Khal Mago is killed in the show and is still alive in the books. I am sure he would have said something about Theon, given he is a POV character. With the book implying he is, the show showing he is (I dont think GRRM wanted to write a torture scene from the POV of the person being tortured) its fairly safe to say that he has been castrated. 

 

Asha would be the best bet. I am not sure if Harras the Knight or Andrik the Unsmiling are married, but they would be the best people for Asha to marry. Having two of the best ironborn warriors beside you would help secure her claim.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:46 PM

The show is not a valid source of reference for the books. It's perfectly plausible that they would castrate him for shock value even if he goes on to have kids in the books (unlikely), because whether or not House Greyjoy is still in existence at the end of the series is one of those small things they can change without it affecting the main plot.


Offhand I believe in one of Theon's POV it mentions how he lost his fingers as well as "that other thing" And when Ramsay tells Theon to get Jeyne ready for him Theon says something like "but I don't have..." until Ramsay clarifies he meant with his mouth.

As FVR said, is he celibate?
 
In any case, if Stannis can get Jon off the wall and legitimised, then a King can do the same to Aeron. Also bear in mind that at some point, Aeron could very well be the heir to the Seastone throne.


Every other religion in ASOIAF's clergy appears to be celibate. While in theory Aeron might renounce his priesthood to claim the seastone chair and/or father heirs, it really doesn't seem like something Aeron would do.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:51 PM

Here's hoping.

 

Nah, I hope Asha carries on, I'd be shocked if the Greyjoys would be the first house to continue the family name through the female line out of necessity.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:55 PM

If Theon hadn't been castrated in the books, i'm sure GRRM would have said something by now, he is quite vocal on the fact the Khal Mago is killed in the show and is still alive in the books.

 

Considering that Martin wrote ep7 of season 3 where Theon seems to loose his bits, I think he's pretty much OK with it. To me the hints in the books are pretty much indicative that he did in fact loose his favorite toy, as the show later explicitly puts it.

 

If Aeron actually became the heir to the Seastone chair and the only remaining Greyjoy would he be like "well, hey, if the Drowned God wishes me to be king and continue the line then I guess I have to go find me a wife, so sad..." or "My house dies with me, the Drowned God wills so"? :(



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:02 PM

There could be a distant relative somewhere, like Harold Harding in the Vale. Maybe we'll find out that Quellon Greyjoy had a sister or a cousin whose descent would inherit Pyke if all Greyjoys perished.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:03 PM

I hope so.

Seriously though no matter how much I hate the Greyjoys I don't really want to see their house become extinct

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:22 PM

There could be a distant relative somewhere, like Harold Harding in the Vale. Maybe we'll find out that Quellon Greyjoy had a sister or a cousin whose descent would inherit Pyke if all Greyjoys perished.

 

Asha had a cousin with her in Deepwood Motte, but that one is no longer able to continue the Greyjoy line. Could be there are other cousins as well though. Can't be sure as how close this guy was to the main branch, I think sometimes they use the term cousin very freely in ASOIAF.

 

A bush drove at her with a spear long enough to punch through her belly and Qarl’s back as well, pinning them together as they died. Better that than die alone, she thought, but her cousin Quenton killed the spearman before he reached her. A heartbeat later another bush killed Quenton, driving an axe into the base of his skull.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:25 PM

Moqorro will heal Theon's penis the same way he healed Victarion's hand, giving Theon a giant, smoldering black cock.

 

It is known.


Edited by Thucydides, 28 December 2013 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:29 PM

I hope not.

There could be a distant relative somewhere, like Harold Harding in the Vale. Maybe we'll find out that Quellon Greyjoy had a sister or a cousin whose descent would inherit Pyke if all Greyjoys perished.


IIRC there is.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 02:08 PM

Asha's casualness about her young cousins Quenton and Dagon 'the Drunken' implies to me that they were not crucial surviving cadets but two of a multitude. I reckon saltwives and so on have left Greyjoys and Pykes alike ten a penny.

 

(I typed Greyjokes there at first. I love the Ironborn but suspect this freudian slip may strike a certain chord)



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 02:09 PM

The show is not a valid source of reference for the books. It's perfectly plausible that they would castrate him for shock value even if he goes on to have kids in the books (unlikely), because whether or not House Greyjoy is still in existence at the end of the series is one of those small things they can change without it affecting the main plot.

 

Actually, this is probably more valid than other things. GRRM wrote that episode.