The Fresh PtwP Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So we know about Aeron and fear of Euron. What we don't know is where it comes from. Aeron's association with Euron and the rusty hinge from his childhood bedroom lead many to believe Euron sexually abused Aeron. Here's my thing. Euron doesn't seem like the type to do anything himself. All his plans (Lannisport, Shield islands, Meeren) he doesn't lead personally that's not his style. So I thought about his crew all having their tongues chopped out and Euron's love of sick mind games and it hit me. He didn't do it himself... he pulled a Tywin and had his crew sexually abuse Aeron. Then to keep them silent he lopped off their tongues. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 He screwed Vic's wife himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danelle Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Most likely the abuse occurred when Aeron was a child, long before Euron had a crew following his orders.If you comparing Aeron's abuse with Tysha's rape, there is a big difference. Tywin did not wanted to be discreet.Her horrible sexual abuse was known.If Euron tried to do something similar then he would have been discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooseman Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 It's an open secret, that the Dusky Woman is actually a glamored Euron. Possibly a tongueless woman being warged by him. The details differ, but on the basics everyone agrees. So if it comes to taking sexual advantage of his brothers, Euron definitely does his dirty work himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parizad Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I think Euron did abuse Aeron himself. He has a line about being loved by Euron in the first chapter of A Feast For Crows: "He [balon Grayjoy] was all that an elder brother ought to be, though he had never shown Aeron aught but scorn. I was weak and full of sin, and scorn was more than I deserved. Better to be scorned by Balon the Brave than beloved of Euron Crow’s Eye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 This again...why leap to the assumption the abuse Aeron got was sexual ? There is literally nothing to indicate that it was. Being "beloved by" does not indicate sexual interest. When King Hamlet's ghost says to his son: "Listen, listen! If you ever loved your poor dear father", he isn't saying that the two of them had an incestuous affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parizad Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 The line I mentioned is not the only thing, but IMO the most explicit of them. Aeron has a very deep hate and fear of Euron. He is thrown into panic by remembering an iron hinge of a door opening and Euron coming... plus he feminizes himself and he thinks being scorned by Balon is better than being loved by Euron. Talking about someone's love in this way means they hate that love, that love is more of a trouble than kindness. A poster has gathered a lot of evidence on this front in another topic. Here it is: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/71086-sexual-abuse-in-asoiaf-contains-spoilers/?p=3432517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 That poster is grasping wildly at straws. Aeron had been glad. There's a period after that. He isn't glad that his axe took Urri's fingers, he was glad before that. The two sentences are not related beyond that. Frankly, I don't see anything indicating sexuality at all. Aeron clearly was abused by Euron, which seems to be fairly standard in the Greyjoy family, but I see nothing indicating there being a sexual element, beyond the "screaming hinges" which also comes before his recollection of Urri, which indicates he was molested by him as well ? Eh, no. Not good enough for me, not by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Regardless of the nature of abuse, I don't think it makes sense to suggest that Euron never does anything himself. Euron is not Tywin or Joffrey, he doesn't seem to have any physical hangups about inflicting physical violence personally. I can't imagine that Euron would slip an entire crew of men into Aeron's bedchamber without being noticed, and I think if something like that did happen Aeron would have mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parizad Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Well yes, it is something that is implied not told, so no one can show you a sentence where Aeron just outright says " and Euron used to rape me at nights...". It is more difficult to put together a past memory (which damphair is trying not to remember) based on hints only. In this case I am convinced that Euron raped Aeron since all the things Aeron remembers in association with Euron and his hatred and fear of him coupled with the sound of a door opening sounds a lot like a sexual abuse scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 In this case I am convinced that Euron raped Aeron since all the things Aeron remembers in association with Euron and his hatred and fear of him coupled with the sound of a door opening sounds a lot like a sexual abuse scene. But the sound is also coupled with his memory of Urragon. And where is the sexual abuse there ? The sound is coupled with trauma, such as him basically killing his brother and his other brother abusing him. I see little reason to sexualize either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parizad Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 He also says "Euron has come" it has nothing to do with Urri:"No mortal man could frighten him, no more than the darkness could . . . nor memories, the bones of the soul. The sound of a door opening, the scream of a rusted iron hinge. Euron has come again. It did not matter. He was the Damphair priest, beloved of the god." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicsFieryHand Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 So.... did he get molested by the god too? Since it's a beloved relationship and all......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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