Bastard of Boston Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I think Quesada went overboard to prove a point there. Zod was still going to build Nu Krypton on the ashes of Earth. It takes away too much agency to just excuse Zod by saying he was created to be crazy. I don't think Kryptonians purposefully created psychos. I think the bio-engineering is being over-emphasized here, as I never took it to mean Kryptonians didn't have free will. Zod could still choose to decide to go about his goals differently, IMO. He was engineered to be a warrior, but that's only to say someone made a baby from the DNA of Rambo and Red Sonja. If they wanted a "leader," they would've used Kennedy and Oprah type of thing. I think the alternative is a little hard to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Joe Quesada made this exact point on Kevin Smith's Fatman on Batman Podcast. He said that Zod is actually the hero of the movie.All he wants to do is save the race of people and the planet that he was genetically engineered to save and protect, and all he needs is the information stored in Clark's DNA, and Clark refuses to give it to him, so instead Zod is genetically inclined and purposed to destroy Superman for the betterment of Krypton.Yeah, this movie was massively and pathologically fucking stupid. I agree that all Zod wants is to save his people and get the codex (although he sort of blows that by telling Clark he'll terraform Earth). If he'd gone to Mars, the moon or one of the many potentially habitable planets in the krypton empire they could have maybe reached an agreement. Problem is Zod turns up and almost instantly talks about enslavement. AS for Quesada he's hardly unbiased as Marvel's high up creative officer. The guy has a serious man-crush on Superman. I liked this rant of his the best " I mean, they have Batman and Superman, and they don’t know what to do with them. That’s like being a porn star with the biggest dick and you can’t get it up. What the fuck?” Clearly, this was before Nolan's Bat-films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yeah, how dare superman not take time out of his 6v1 fight to save even more people despite saving the 7 billion people on the planet. What a dick. That's the character though. We saw it in Superman II, where he takes time out from a 3 on 1 fight to save people when his life and the world was at stake. In Grant Morrison's All Star Superman, there was a great page where in the middle of dying from radiation poisoning and needing to finish his 12 great feats and make the world a better place before he dies, he drops everything to save a suicidal girl. She is about to jump and he talks to her and holds her as she breaks down. She is just one person and there is so much to do for the greater good of the 7 billion but he cares enough to save that one girl. Show me movie Superman feels that way about people and I am good. I saw nothing that indicated that. The "I don't know if humanity can be trusted" felt so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Hopefully the sequels will improve upon this. I think the recent DC relaunch had young superman as a bit of a dick maybe the films were also trying to show the evolution of him into the premier hero? He was a bit of a dick to authority figures. But he was taken back to his socialist roots. He fought corrupt businessmen and mocked the cops who tried to stop Clark Kent exposing their corruption in the Daily Star. He cared about the little guy, the individuals. So while arrogant and rebellious, you never questioned how much he cared and loved people. Edit - Also, he was 22 in the Action comics reboot and he was 33 in Man of Steel. Plenty of time to mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That's the character though. We saw it in Superman II, where he takes time out from a 3 on 1 fight to save people when his life and the world was at stake. In Grant Morrison's All Star Superman, there was a great page where in the middle of dying from radiation poisoning and needing to finish his 12 great feats and make the world a better place before he dies, he drops everything to save a suicidal girl. She is about to jump and he talks to her and holds her as she breaks down. She is just one person and there is so much to do for the greater good of the 7 billion but he cares enough to save that one girl. Show me movie Superman feels that way about people and I am good. I saw nothing that indicated that. The "I don't know if humanity can be trusted" felt so wrong. That scene in the comic was great and it's all good. Of course,if you stop and think about it - that shit is going on all the time. He doesn't stop it all the time because he can't but it doesn't make much sense how he makes time for the odd case. I still love seeing those kinds of scenes but they are ultimately unrealistic. Unrealistic isn't the right word but I guess you know what I mean. I guess those scenes work when he sees it happening - I don't think Superman could/would turn a blind eye to that. He obviously has ignore all the other pleas he can hear but can't see with his supervision though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That scene in the comic was great and it's all good. Of course,if you stop and think about it - that shit is going on all the time. He doesn't stop it all the time because he can't but it doesn't make much sense how he makes time for the odd case. I still love seeing those kinds of scenes but they are ultimately unrealistic. Unrealistic isn't the right word but I guess you know what I mean. I guess those scenes work when he sees it happening - I don't think Superman could/would turn a blind eye to that. He obviously has ignore all the other pleas he can hear but can't see with his supervision though. I have thought about that a bit. But he can't save everyone and that's just something that I sort of accept, because that is very realistic. Her doctor was within range of his superhearing, but so many people are not or don't make a call. Doctors, fire-fighters, cops fight to save people and help people and they can't do it all the time. Same with Superman.You do what you can to help and push yourself to do as much as you can, but you will never save everyone. But they still care and won't ignore people in desperate need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 I have thought about that a bit. But he can't save everyone and that's just something that I sort of accept, because that is very realistic. Her doctor was within range of his superhearing, but so many people are not or don't make a call. Doctors, fire-fighters, cops fight to save people and help people and they can't do it all the time. Same with Superman.You do what you can to help and push yourself to do as much as you can, but you will never save everyone. But they still care and won't ignore people in desperate need. Which all fits in with the Jesus symbolism that is so common in the Superman mythos. Yes he has all these amazing powers, but deep down the character is about his love for humanity as a whole and concern for individuals. It's one of the few things I thought Superman Returns got right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Which all fits in with the Jesus symbolism that is so common in the Superman mythos. Yes he has all these amazing powers, but deep down the character is about his love for humanity as a whole and concern for individuals. It's one of the few things I thought Superman Returns got right. There weren't many, but I liked how, even when he was fighting to save billions, he took the time to liquefy the falling glass so that the people on the streets would be safe. That part they got right. But mostly I prefer to forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That scene in the comic was great and it's all good. Of course,if you stop and think about it - that shit is going on all the time. He doesn't stop it all the time because he can't but it doesn't make much sense how he makes time for the odd case. I still love seeing those kinds of scenes but they are ultimately unrealistic. Unrealistic isn't the right word but I guess you know what I mean. I guess those scenes work when he sees it happening - I don't think Superman could/would turn a blind eye to that. He obviously has ignore all the other pleas he can hear but can't see with his supervision though.Didn't Busiek essentially explore this idea with Samaritan in Astro City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Do the colours of Superman's suit look brighter to everyone else? http://batman-news.com/2014/08/20/henry-cavill-spotted-full-superman-costume-set-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-photos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The amount of destruction didn't bother me as much as some people, although I'm curious as to how they'll play it in BvS; assuming the rumours/guesses are true and Batman has an issue with it all and tries to take him down, how will he be persuaded otherwise? He must change his mind and join forces so they can go on to form the Justice League. So what's his train of thought? "I thought he was involved in a lot of death in Metropolis, but then he said..." What? What's Superman's line of reasoning? Weirdly, although the ending in Metropolis is the most destructive, you could at least argue that all buildings were evacuated by then and maybe Superman was x-ray visioning ahead to make sure people were out the way. It's ploughing Zod into that gas station in Smallville that's the worst part. No way he knew there was no one there, no way he knew the explosion wouldn't be big enough to harm others, and no way can he argue that he had no choice. That was all him dictating the direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hahahahahahhahahahaa... oh WB, WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hahahahahahhahahahaa... oh WB, WTF. Did they watch the Avengers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I can't wait until every studio head at Warner is fired, and Zach Snyder goes back to making shitty movies that aren't important to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 Its amazing how the last page of a topic can tie in so well with the first page... if there's one overriding theme on all this, its that the people making this movie seem to be entirely out of touch with what is working currently on the big screen. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden Wolf Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I have been reading this thread and I have to Agree that one thing MoS did wrong was the lack of development of Clark Kent/Kal-El. Outside of flashbacks we only know of one instance adult Clark has actively saved someone before reaching the Artic and Kryptonian ship. His whole modus operandi seems to be up until Jor-El tells Him his origins to stay hidden and don't draw any attention to himself. He isn't out soul searching he is just out there hiding, poorly. it made Jonathan's sacrifice worthless and it was already a stupid way to die. He could have atleast been a journalist traveling the world covering stories he felt needed yo be brought before the world. But instead we get vagabond Clark who seemingly has no journalism experience yet lands a gig at one of the most prestigious papers in the world at the end. I disliked that greatly. Did anyone else notice that the terraformers looked just like the terraformers used in the final arc of Mr. Majestic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hahahahahahhahahahaa... oh WB, WTF. That's always the thing with Batman. Batman can't make jokes. (except possibly very dry, very sarcastic ones, and even then only if someone else sets him up for it) But that's what Robin is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 That's always the thing with Batman. Batman can't make jokes. (except possibly very dry, very sarcastic ones, and even then only if someone else sets him up for it) But that's what Robin is for. For me that's why those characters work. Batman is very grim, Superman is very hopeful and Spider-Man is a humorous wise-ass. They are all different, but their supporting casts bring elements that they might lack. I don't want to see a Superman that is very Batman-like. That's why Green Arrow worked so much better when he developed a character beyond being a Batman rip-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Boston Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The Rock just confirmed via Twitter that he's Black Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 As much as I like both the Rock and Black Adam, I'm not sure that's a good fit. Willing to be convinced, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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