MisterOJ Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Need a new thread, and I really wanted to share this tweet. Not Coach Petrino @NotBMFP14mWrecked my chopper, became a Topper. Kept it in my pants, got a 2nd chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Athletes at big time football and basketball schools have a ton of resources at thier disposal. But what they don't have is time, structure or significant pressure to actually learn anything. If you are playing D1 basketball, you are spending more or less all your time getting better at basketball. Now, could athletes start skipping optional practices so that they can study? Yes. But next time they have a bad game, people will be questioning whether they are "really committed", if they are a "team player" and "giving it their all". And these guys are super super competitive. They want to be the best damn basketball players they can be, and really everyone in their entire lives has encouraged that. So it's pretty rich to blame the athletes for not making the most of their educational opportunities, when every incentive in the world is pushing them towards not studying. And at the same time, these universities, which aren't giving these young men a real eduction, are making millions of dollars off their hard work and athleticism. Athletes at are mandated to attend class. You can't make them pay attention, but they are required to go, and are escorted by staff members if they won't go themselves. They have required study halls where they can choose to do their work, meet with tutors, or jerk around and do nothing. Their choice. Yes they do want to be the best damn basketball players they can be. Many of them ignore learning in order to do so. That is on them, the resources are there. And they certainly are better off than had they not gone at all. Wow, such bullshit. Yes, they're receiving an opportunity they would have never received because chances are they would have gone professional and made millions of dollars instead. And there's very little incentive for anyone to help them or get them the training they need, because as soon as you say that you've got a guy who can barely read, he's going to be kicked out of the NCAA for student violations. So you hide it. For his sake (because he's still getting what he wants), for the team's sake and for the school's sake, because that ends up being the best outcome. That's the problem. There are virtually no resources for remedial education for athletes because as soon as you do that, you aren't complying with the NCAA regs. There's no options to not go to college because that's how you get to the pros. And you can't get paid for ball if you don't go pro. Having a monopoly - even one that ostensibly gives some benefits - is still depriving these guys of options. Just turns out that the way the NCAA does it in this case is especially stupid for the kids. Not allowing them to go pro is 100% on the professional sports leagues who don't want to pay them to train them. It's not the universities' fault that the NBA and NFL don't allow players to do this. And they are provided with excellent resources, including tutors any time they want them. They aren't forced to learn, it's true. That doesn't mean that there isn't an opportunity there, and one they 100% would not be getting if they weren't playing sports. At the end of the day, if they get absolutely nothing out of the experience education-wise (because they didn't take advantage of the resources available), they are still better off than they were. They got to play a college sport, and got free room, board, and college tuition out of the deal. What is the opportunity cost that they lost out on for going to school? Any job opportunities available for an unskilled high school grad are still going to be there for a college dropout. And this is of course, ignoring the overwhelming majority of college athletes who do take at least some advantage of the educational opportunities available to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 But are we to believe that the Academic Fraud Scandal at UNC is unique to them? Yes, they go to class... but that class also happens to be a complete sham of higher education? I'm not naïve enough to actually believe what I'm about to say... but shouldn't schools have enough academic integrity to want their student athletes to live up to the standards of admission that the school itself sets? I know its a laughable statement, but in a perfect world isn't that what we would like to think would happen? If a student athlete comes to your school and leaves with a degree while reading at a 4th grade level, wouldn't you say that's intellectually dishonest on the part of the school? And while we're on ethics; what a perfect way to segue into the topic of Bobby Petrino being re-hired! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU-RAY Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thank you thank you thank you Bobby Petrino! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Great deal for Louisville. Probably got the best coach of anyone making an offseason hire, so long as he can stay out of his own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU-RAY Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Long as we don't lose Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I was hoping to engage in Kragthorpe-era style schadenfreude with regards to Louisville so I'm saddened that they got Petrino. I think they will come to be pretty dangerous in the ACC with Bobby back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I was hoping to engage in Kragthorpe-era style schadenfreude with regards to Louisville so I'm saddened that they got Petrino. I think they will come to be pretty dangerous in the ACC with Bobby back. I agree. I also think it really makes UK's rebuilding job much more difficult. With Bobby at UofL, I'm essentially counting that as a loss now; so in order to get to a bowl game the Cats will need to win three conference games... and that's a tough order when you're starting from the bottom. The ACC needs to prepare for an avalanche of touchdowns, because he'll have that offense singing in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Now ESPN is reporting that Penn State has offered James Franklin. Interesting, since I have to at least partly figure that Munchak's interest in the job is what was the final straw in his firing at the Titans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Now ESPN is reporting that Penn State has offered James Franklin.Interesting, since I have to at least partly figure that Munchak's interest in the job is what was the final straw in his firing at the Titans. I would have mixed feelings about this if Franklin leaves Vandy. On the one hand, it's likely good for UK because it makes Vandy weaker. But, on the other hand, living as close to Nashville as I do, I hear a lot about Franklin and what he's doing down there and I have come to really respect him as a coach. And he's pretty entertaining as well. Plus, it'll be a loss to the conference as a whole if Vandy goes back to just being Vandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I would have mixed feelings about this if Franklin leaves Vandy. On the one hand, it's likely good for UK because it makes Vandy weaker. But, on the other hand, living as close to Nashville as I do, I hear a lot about Franklin and what he's doing down there and I have come to really respect him as a coach. And he's pretty entertaining as well. Plus, it'll be a loss to the conference as a whole if Vandy goes back to just being Vandy. Yes... but as I said above, we have to find three conference wins, and for that we need the old Vandy! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrum Aeternum Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Franklin will be a home run hire for Penn St. He'll keep that fanbase energized and the football team relevant while they work through their punishment phase. He won't be able to take his teams to bowls for a few years, but considering the best he could manage with Vandy winning 8 games this year was a trip to Birmingham, I doubt he will mind that aspect too much. I think his mind was made up when he set a school record for wins and Vandy sold fewer season tickets than the year before. Vandy has a handful of rabid fans, who I'm certainly sympathetic to, but the fact is that the average Nashvillian simply doesn't care very much about that football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Franklin will be a home run hire for Penn St. He'll keep that fanbase energized and the football team relevant while they work through their punishment phase. He won't be able to take his teams to bowls for a few years, but considering the best he could manage with Vandy winning 8 games this year was a trip to Birmingham, I doubt he will mind that aspect too much. I think his mind was made up when he set a school record for wins and Vandy sold fewer season tickets than the year before. Vandy has a handful of rabid fans, who I'm certainly sympathetic to, but the fact is that the average Nashvillian simply doesn't care very much about that football team. I would guess that the alumni base for Vanderbilt is not heavily situated in and around the Nashville metro area. It seems like the kind of school where the graduates scatter. Compare that to most public state schools where the majority of the graduates likely stay within driving distance of the school (at least in the South we do). Its hard to drum up a lot of support in that situation when most of the residents of the town likely identify themselves as Tennessee Volunteer fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I would guess that the alumni base for Vanderbilt is not heavily situated in and around the Nashville metro area. It seems like the kind of school where the graduates scatter. Compare that to most public state schools where the majority of the graduates likely stay within driving distance of the school (at least in the South we do). Its hard to drum up a lot of support in that situation when most of the residents of the town likely identify themselves as Tennessee Volunteer fans. That is definitely the case. Three members of my family are Vanderbilt alums and none of them are from or currently reside in Nashville (or Tennessee for that matter). Nashville is a really cool town and I like it - but I think you're right that Vandy people are often only temporary guests there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrum Aeternum Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 In a move I can't remember ever seeing before, Garrick McGee, who was Petrino's OC at Arkansas and moved on to become head coach at UAB, is now leaving UAB to return as Petrino's OC at Louisville. In fairness, McGee has had two awful seasons at the helm of the UAB program, and I'm sure he'll get a pay raise. But it's got to be one of the few times a head coach at one D-1 program has stepped down to be a coordinator at another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 In a move I can't remember ever seeing before, Garrick McGee, who was Petrino's OC at Arkansas and moved on to become head coach at UAB, is now leaving UAB to return as Petrino's OC at Louisville. In fairness, McGee has had two awful seasons at the helm of the UAB program, and I'm sure he'll get a pay raise. But it's got to be one of the few times a head coach at one D-1 program has stepped down to be a coordinator at another. Voluntarily step back down... sure. I don't recall seeing that either. There were rumors that Randy Shannon might come on board as D Coordinator. Add him to Clint Hurtt and Petrino's own past and it would be a pretty nasty trifecta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Decent article: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/january/fueling-the-toxicity-of-college-football-fandom-is-a-science.html I have boycotted all ESPN programming except for live sports and 30 for 30s. I guess that's not saying much since they run just about every live sporting event I care to watch, but still at least I'm not patronizing their talking head bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Interesting, Petrino breaks out a surprise in his first team meeting with the Cards. For those who don't want to dirty their browser by going to a filthy site like Card Chronicle; basically he talks to them a bit and then a player comes in wearing an all black uniform and carrying a black helmet. The team goes crazy. Charlie Strong famously refused to ever wear black uniforms... because black isn't a school color, and I agree 100% with him. I hate seeing Kentucky break out the black uniforms. I know we talk about what effect does the crazy uniforms like Oregon comes up with really have on recruiting; but based on how excited these young men got at the chance to wear a black uniform, it obviously resonates with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Gonna go ahead and call it now. Louisville will win the ACC in year 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Decent article: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/january/fueling-the-toxicity-of-college-football-fandom-is-a-science.html That's a good article, worth the read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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