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Daenerys the betrayer


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#1 Mednieks

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 08:48 AM

I cant believe that everyone is absolutely okay with the sack of Astapor and the unsullied deal. People are even saying that it is one of the greatest moments of the books?! I actually felt bad about the slavers and everyone in the city.

 

Even the slavers had more dignity than her. If this is how Dany is about to handle deals, I don't think anyone is ever going to trust her. 



#2 PrinceHenryris

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 08:59 AM

Nope

#3 jon stark I

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:01 AM

I won't protect slavers but mass murder is something noone can forgive.



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:02 AM

Yes, cannot help but cry over such amazing culture, barbarously destroyed. The Astapori didn't sell Dany the Unsullied to wage war, for Pete's sake! That's not their purpose! 



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:07 AM

Yes, cannot help but cry over such amazing culture, barbarously destroyed. The Astapori didn't sell Dany the Unsullied to wage war, for Pete's sake! That's not their purpose! 

So you are okey with mass murder?If it is someone you label as evil then it is okey to do anything you want?I hate do this but to Hitler that evil was jews how is it any different then your point of view?



#6 Nictarion

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:12 AM

So you are okey with mass murder?If it is someone you label as evil then it is okey to do anything you want?I hate do this but to Hitler that evil was jews how is it any different then your point of view?

The Jews weren't responsible for thousands of dead babies, and castrated slave soldiers.

#7 SeanF

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:15 AM

The Good Masters that we encountered were a pretty revolting bunch of people. There's no need to weep for them.

The extent of the massacre went beyond the needs of war, however, in my opinion. And the aftermath of it was dreadful.

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:17 AM

The extent of the massacre went beyond the needs of war, however, in my opinion. And the aftermath of it was dreadful.

I agree. 



#9 jon stark I

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:22 AM

The Good Masters that we encountered were a pretty revolting bunch of people. There's no need to weep for them.

The extent of the massacre went beyond the needs of war, however, in my opinion. And the aftermath of it was dreadful.

This!!!!!Where is that like button?

Dany goes on and orders mass destruction then she goes on and acts all mighty.

 

The Jews weren't responsible for thousands of dead babies, and castrated slave soldiers.

It is about your view of your enemy.To us slavers are evil(yes some of them are evil but what about the rest)By your definition Dany herself had to die because her ancestors were the biggest slavers of them all.



#10 Sordelor

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:32 AM

You are absolutaly not  the only poster on this form who thinks that.



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:32 AM

If this is how Dany is about to handle deals, I don't think anyone is ever going to trust her. 

I think wondering about the effect these actions will have on her diplomatic prospects is fair, but I think it's important to note that doing things this way actually did make her seem trustworthy to a great deal of people: the slaves.

 

It's clear that the slaver class doesn't really trust her, but because she's taken such a stand against the slavers, she's earned the love of the slaves, and word of her virtue as a liberator is spreading.  People are definitely willing to work with her, just not the ones we tend to focus on at the head of governments--these actions kind of cemented her as a popular hero.



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:33 AM

This!!!!!Where is that like button?
Dany goes on and orders mass destruction then she goes on and acts all mighty.
 
It is about your view of your enemy.To us slavers are evil(yes some of them are evil but what about the rest)By your definition Dany herself had to die because her ancestors were the biggest slavers of them all.


I'd certainly describe those Slavers who were involved in the creation of the Unsullied, or throwing children into bear pits, to be evil. And, those free adults who made no objection to such things were, if not evil, certainly blameworthy.

Some form of punishment was justified. But, a wild massacre of the city's leaders and administrators, followed by leaving the place to fall into chaos, wasn't the way to go about it.

#13 Kungsmurfen

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:35 AM

Well.. everyone isn't okay with it.



#14 Nictarion

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:37 AM

But, a wild massacre of the city's leaders and administrators, followed by leaving the place to fall into chaos, wasn't the way to go about it.

It made for a great read though.

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:43 AM

I'd certainly describe those Slavers who were involved in the creation of the Unsullied, or throwing children into bear pits, to be evil. And, those free adults who made no objection to such things were, if not evil, certainly blameworthy.

Some form of punishment was justified. But, a wild massacre of the city's leaders and administrators, followed by leaving the place to fall into chaos, wasn't the way to go about it.

That is my point punish all who are responsible but a massacre is as evil as the other things slavers did.



#16 Nictarion

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:45 AM

That is my point punish all who are responsible but a massacre is as evil as the other things slavers did.

So everyone that's ever sacked a city is as evil as the Good Masters?

Edited by Nictarion, 26 January 2014 - 10:00 AM.


#17 SeanF

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:46 AM

It made for a great read though.


Yes, it's one of the best chapters.

#18 yunovnatingconsınov

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:07 AM

It made for a great read though.

Yea that's the reason I like it as well.



#19 KINGpanther

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:13 AM

With drogon there, dany doesnt need trust or deals.



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:13 AM

You are hardly alone in that estimate. I'm not sure which side is more numeous, but it's a close call either way. Especially with the longtimers.

I think wondering about the effect these actions will have on her diplomatic prospects is fair, but I think it's important to note that doing things this way actually did make her seem trustworthy to a great deal of people: the slaves.

 

It's clear that the slaver class doesn't really trust her, but because she's taken such a stand against the slavers, she's earned the love of the slaves, and word of her virtue as a liberator is spreading.  People are definitely willing to work with her, just not the ones we tend to focus on at the head of governments--these actions kind of cemented her as a popular hero.

Which diplomatic prospects? In Essos, hardly anyone trusts her as far they can spit. And in Westeros.

Spoiler
. Even Quentyn was worried, and he dismissed all the (true!) accounts of her untrustworthness as vile slander made up by the slavers.

In a way, Dany does appear as vile as the Freys - and that image will spread.