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The Fate of Shae?


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A lot of people are saying they won't do it because people won't be able to sympathize with him killing her, or that they won't see it as justified, but... why is everyone assuming it needs such a nice pretty bow on it? It's a dark, disturbing moment for Tyrion's character. Sympathetic oughtn't factor into it at all. Her betraying him at the trial and then being in Tywin's room will make the action understandable, and certainly no one will feel confused by his motives, but there's no reason for them to go out of their way beyond that to make sure we're all clapping and cheering as he does it


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So "tv" Shae is a much more sympathetic character than "book" Shae. Especially with the addition of her being Sansa's handmaiden and defender. Do you think it's possible that "tv" Shae will have a different fate? I personally just can't see her doing the same things as she did in the book and it wouldn't bother me to see her have a much different fate? What do you guys think?

This is exactly what I thought. TV Shae, unlike book Shae, seems to actually love Tyrion. But like one of our fellow forum posters pointed out that fact will make her betrayal of him all the more painful and terrible. You'll get to see his heart break when she secret witnesses him during the trial.

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I think that the main reason for changing Shae's personality and her relationship with Tyrion on the show may be the fact that, if if we saw book!Shae outside of Tyrion's POV, it would be blatantly obvious, even more so than in the books, that she isn't in love with him and is simply providing the girlfriend experience; Tyrion either would look like an utter fool and people wouldn't understand how he can delude himself, or it wouldn't be obvious that he is actually in love with her and wants to think she's in love with him (since we wouldn't have his internal thoughts to know that he thinks of it as a real relationship, but also doubts her motives and feelings) and her eventual betrayal come as no surprise. By making it a real love story, the betrayal will be shocking but convincing, if they build it up enough as a result of factors such as Shae's resentments and disappointments about her role in Tyrion's life, and Tyrion killing her would be heartbreaking. At least that's what I think/hope they're trying to do.





I see her dieing on the show as an expected part of the story and more quietly as a convenient way for HBO to distance themselves from her previous "acting" career.





Yeah, it's so embarrassing for them to be associated with the award-winning contemporary German dramas by the likes of Fatih Akin... <_<


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I think that the main reason for changing Shae's personality and her relationship with Tyrion on the show may be the fact that, if if we saw book!Shae outside of Tyrion's POV, it would be blatantly obvious, even more so than in the books, that she isn't in love with him and is simply providing the girlfriend experience; Tyrion either would look like an utter fool and people wouldn't understand how he can delude himself, or it wouldn't be obvious that he is actually in love with her and wants to think she's in love with him (since we wouldn't have his internal thoughts to know that he thinks of it as a real relationship, but also doubts her motives and feelings) and her eventual betrayal come as no surprise. By making it a real love story, the betrayal will be shocking but convincing, if they build it up enough as a result of factors such as Shae's resentments and disappointments about her role in Tyrion's life, and Tyrion killing her would be heartbreaking. At least that's what I think/hope they're trying to do.

Yeah, it's so embarrassing for them to be associated with the award-winning contemporary German dramas by the likes of Fatih Akin... <_<

A good actress and good writing could keep the audience wondering about whether she really loves him or is playing him. I would have liked this better, they could have left the answer unresolved even, let the audience decide for themselves

Turning her into the Pretty Woman of Westeros I thought was a very strange choice considering that the star of the show is going to presumably murder her in cold blood.

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I meant her other other acting career lol....look up dilara along with her name.

Uh, I know. This was what is called sarcasm, as a reaction to your claim that HBO, a TV station known for its adherence to conservative Christian values in its programming, will try to distance themselves from an actress who was in some porn a decade ago (shock, horror), if they find the time between hiring porn actresses for minor roles, making up new brothel scene where they could be seen naked and having some girl-on-girl action while the male characters are monologuing, and checking which of their female stars has a no-nudity contract.

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Sorry, sarcasm in text can be rather tricky.

I don't think of HBO as a company with some moral high ground. I could however see the execs happy that this won't be long term grief for them, as the character in question has a short lifespan.

HBO seems like a company that likes scandal in small controlled doses.

Now, I'm guessing (I didn't sense your sarcasm so I could be way off base here) that you think I have some type of objection to an actor or actress having done adult films. I do not.

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A lot of people are saying they won't do it because people won't be able to sympathize with him killing her, or that they won't see it as justified, but... why is everyone assuming it needs such a nice pretty bow on it? It's a dark, disturbing moment for Tyrion's character. Sympathetic oughtn't factor into it at all. Her betraying him at the trial and then being in Tywin's room will make the action understandable, and certainly no one will feel confused by his motives, but there's no reason for them to go out of their way beyond that to make sure we're all clapping and cheering as he does it

The problem is TV Shae might not betray Tyrion, and wouldn't sleep with Tywin (TV Shae carefully checked the bedsheets to make sure Tyrion was loyal, and refused Varys' massive buyout, which book Shae would gladly accept). So what most would happen is Tywin kills her and Tyrion gets angry and kills Tywin.

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What, making someone look stupid makes them more likable?

They were both softened to made to be more likable. Shea for the stronger effect of betrayal, and with Sansa it is better to be perceived as young and naive, than to be perceived as willful disobedient betrayer.

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I meant her other other acting career lol....look up dilara along with her name.

This hypocrisy is really annoying.

Many had to do jobs for money at some point in their life they do not exactly respect themselves for. Why should porn actress be any worse than selling insurances to people who don't need them or talking them into yet another mortgage? Perfectly respectable jobs or not?

Not that dirty sex stuff. IRONY

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I don't think the show will differ in this regard from the books at all, aside from the fact that they've made her more sympathetic by giving her POV scenes (which would've also been the case if she'd had POV chapters, though that would've subverted the drama) she still feels like the same character to me. Perhaps more well fleshed out than GRRM wrote her. As far as any controversy regarding her previous acting in adult films, I don't think HBO give's a shit and anybody who does should really think about perhaps, fucking themselves.


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I don't think the show will differ in this regard from the books at all, aside from the fact that they've made her more sympathetic by giving her POV scenes (which would've also been the case if she'd had POV chapters, though that would've subverted the drama) she still feels like the same character to me. Perhaps more well fleshed out than GRRM wrote her. As far as any controversy regarding her previous acting in adult films, I don't think HBO give's a shit and anybody who does should really think about perhaps, fucking themselves.

I agree, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Her job as in actress in adult movies has nothing to do with anything and anybody who brings it up just wants to cause controversy or attempt to 'shock' everyone. Her Game of Thrones acting has been fine, I only happened upon the adult movie info by accident.

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So "tv" Shae is a much more sympathetic character than "book" Shae. Especially with the addition of her being Sansa's handmaiden and defender. Do you think it's possible that "tv" Shae will have a different fate? I personally just can't see her doing the same things as she did in the book and it wouldn't bother me to see her have a much different fate? What do you guys think?

Nope, D and D will give us our pound of flesh, bye, bye, TV Shae!!!!!

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