Mithras Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Rhaenys might have been used to start a new dynasty. So, I would keep Aegon similar to Bloodraven kept Daemon II to prevent a new Blackfyre Pretender being crowned. As long as Aegon was alive, Viserys would never have any claim to the IT and perhaps the Sealord would never accept them. And at one point, I would send Aegon to the NW after Viserys was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Pure evil, there were plenty of ofther ways to deal with the remnants of House Targaryen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 It was brutal and not all that necessary, but tywin wanted to punish aerys and gain favour with robert the stump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Clegane's head Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Tywin did it because he likes to savagely maul and humiliate houses that defy his own house. In this case it was the Targs and Martells. He did it to gain Robert's favour and nothing else, Oberyn & Doran would be more then happy to take them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm kind of curious how people think sending a baby to the Wall would work? They aren't a daycare, if your not old enough to contribute, they don't take you. Maybe send the child to Mole's Town to be raised and then when he becomes 10 he could take the Black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hodor Hodor of Hodor Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Tywin lied about that like he lied about everything else. He was one of the greatest hypocrites in Westeros. i think tywin was shocked by the brutality, but only because he knew that it would hurt the reputation of his house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuem Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 When Tywin Lannister says it was to brutally done and it was to brutally done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berric_Dondiedagain Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I think the act is viewed as brutal and evil now but...looking at a medieval mindset (even up to recent times) children were thought of as just smaller adults-add in the high infant mortality rate up until the recent times and you have a culture that does not value childhood in the same fashion as we do as well as the 'normalcy" associated with infant deaths-I do not think the way they were killed was necessarily brutal in and of itself- They most likely died quickly- had the mountain pulled their tiny little fingers and toes off until they died - that would have been brutal (again in context) -If the policies set forth by the regime cause the death of commoner infants through starvation- a much more agonizing death- is that considered just as evil as bashing them against the wall? I wish I could remember the name of the tribe - but they are somewhere in central asia/india- because their group is so small - adults are valued over children because the death of one adult is greater then the deaths of children for the welfare of the community- because of the tigers- they send the kids out to collect food- if they are eaten - they can make more kids-but it takes longer to replace an adult- sounds evil as f**k to me though- so in short- evil for us today- hell yes- evil in the context of the time period the books are mimicking?- I am not so sure - more likely par for the course- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedding Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Aegon is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Aegon is still alive. this is true but we are talking the babe killed in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 "Okay, my lord, don't be mad but I may have overreated when the princess told me to fuck off after I broke the door down..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBranRickon Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Very evil deed indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Multiple Choice question:You are a Usurper who has fought a hard and bitter war to rid the realm of a Mad King, and, incidentally, claim the throne for yourself. As you storm the last castle, you burst alone into an upper room, and there you find two small children cowering in a corner. They are the Mad King's grandchildren, and it occurs to you that if you do not slay them now, they may grow up to challenge your new dynasty, and your ass may sit less comfortably on its ugly iron chair. What should you do?[A] Kill the brats. Kill the brats, but don't be brutal, 'coz hey, that isn't nice.[C] Spend a bit of time considering whether or not you could achieve roughly the same result by other means with minimal extra risk to you and your new dynasty. If the answer is "no" then kill the brats. Also, before killing them, you might want to shed a tear or two to show you have a good heart.[D] No! Don't kill them! You will be cursed by the gods and your soul will burn for all eternity in the deepest of the Seven Hells.The correct answer, of course, is [D]. Congratulations to all those (sadly very few) who gave it, or some reasonable approximation thereof. Shame on all those who answered [A], , [C] or some approximation thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 The same loyalists who instead flocked to Viserys when he became heir after the death of Rhaegar and Ageon? Those guys? It would have been smarter to keep Aegon alive and marry him in your new dynasty. Keep Aegon close to you if the Targaryen's claim is that dangerous. Kill him and his claim just flies oversea to Viserys and then Daenerys and then to whatever Blackfyre or half blooded targaryen who brush off his family tree and is able to trace a line to some famous king. Given how much they intermarried, there's likely hundreds of nobles able trace descent to a Targaryen king or the other. If the loyalists are that loyal that they'll always want a Targaryen, they'll find one, however diluted. Heck, Robert should know, he is the 'Targaryen' that the rebels put on the throne. The likes of Varys or Littlefinger will scheme against you no matter what. Varys might even have gone as far as invent a claimant if (f)Ageon theory is correct. The sane thing to do is try to identify the schemers and kill them. Anything else is a fool's game, and a dirty one at that. No, the ones who plots and spins tales to make ready for the Dragon's return. Doran and Varys for instance. Marrying Aegon to anyone is Stark-level stupidity. You know what that will grant you? It will grant a line with a claim, which they will consider superior, so that as soon as the main line would have some kind of problem, unpopularity or a period of weakness and the realm is soon ablaze with fire and drowned in rivers of blood. Its very interesting to see how the people who cares so much for the lives of others forget the lessons the Blackfyres thought the realm when they made the realm bleed for decades in various wars. There's a world of difference between being one in a hundred with some distant blood and being the direct descendent on the sword side. I think this is fairly obvious in Westeros. The Starks have married with lots of other Northern Houses yet you can't replace a proper Stark in Winterfell with any Manderly or Glover, just because some dozen of generations ago their faddy porked a Stark. We see this in the Stark loyalists in the North and we see it with the Blackfyres. As long as there's a king for them to follow they'll never lay down their arms and let the King's Peace reign. When Maelys died, then the Blackfyres stopped causing problems. That's how Westeros works. Robert is a Baratheon related to the Targaryens. Different thing. So the sane thing is for the root and reason to the schemes to flourish, kill the schemers and hope it goes away? Since the reason and focus of their scheming is left new schemers will come to take the place of the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Rhaenys might have been used to start a new dynasty. So, I would keep Aegon similar to Bloodraven kept Daemon II to prevent a new Blackfyre Pretender being crowned. As long as Aegon was alive, Viserys would never have any claim to the IT and perhaps the Sealord would never accept them. And at one point, I would send Aegon to the NW after Viserys was dead. This. It's a perfectly reasonable solution and Rhaenys marrying Robert's heir also takes away any claim for possible children of Viserys or Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Unfortunately a necessary evil, You can't have a king waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 it wasn't murder just collateral damage.This is a non-sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Unfortunately a necessary evil, You can't have a king waiting in the wings. There's ALWAYS a king waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 There's ALWAYS a king waiting in the wings. What kings waiting in the wings did the Targaryens have after the Blackfyres were gone? I can't recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 What kings waiting in the wings did the Targaryens have after the Blackfyres were gone? I can't recall. Baratheons and other people with even more distant claims. Ned said Robert had the better claim, which means there were worse claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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