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Alys Karstark and house Thenn in tWoW?


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One of things im personally looking forward to seeing in WoW is the newly created house Thenn and Alys Karstark-who has already proved to be a tough character. Last we see them, its assumed they've already left Castle Black to sieze Karhold with 200 warriors.



The question i want to know is this: what role do you think they'll play in tWoW and in the battle for Winterfell? Will they sucesfully seize Karhold ( my guess is we'll have a POV from Davos/Bran we're people are talking about how karhold has fallen to a hoard of wildlings.) Will they be part of the battle of Ice?


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I think it was stated that the servants remaining in Karhold were inclined to see Alys' point. She doesn't really have to seize it.



There is so much that is unknown, if Stannis really lost the battle, I suspect she will just turtle, while sending old men to the Watch. She and the Thenns know what is coming so they will try to link up with any great defense that rises against the Others.


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Yeah, Karhold will open its gates for Alys, and with Harrion Karstack unlikely to survive, House Thenn will be the new rulers of Karhold. This will be a crucial part of assimilating the Wildlings into the North-in fact I suspect that this might be just the first of quite a few strategic intermarriages about to take place.


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I haven't given much thought to this before reading your question, but I'm going to guess that if things are going well between Alys and her new hubby, they'll do whatever they can to help. Then again if things are not going well, Lord Thenn may go help Jon fight just to get away from his wife. :P



ETA: I'd love to see more of this couple. I think they have potential to be greatly entertaining if not downright adorable.


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I think the strategic position of Karhold should be considered from the Wildlings point of view.I doubt that the Wildlings as a group bare Jon any malice. The only one with some hatred was Sighorn, but Jon had obviously remedied this with his marriage arrangement to Alys. As a whole I believe the Wildlings respect Jon. After facing him as a competent battle commander in the field; he let them pass under terms more generous than any other Northern lord. Leadership is a strong theme in the books (Robert, The Young Wolf, Barristan, Tyrion, Mance). The Wildlings follow strength and the man (in Mance's words), they had also already declared to fight for Jon in the Shieldhall.



Karhold is the only real castle that has true Wildling influence. The castles garrisoned on the wall are all similar to castle black, meaning they have been built so they cannot be defended from the south. This was pivotal in the establishment of nights watch/their oaths to keep out other the wars of the 7 kingdoms. They are also in varying states of decay and are either badly under garrisoned or in states of disrepair. Jon and Alys also talk about the provisions in Karhold being reasonable, though lean for a hard winter. Furthermore, its location being very close to the wall would present a unique opportunity.



I think this creates and interesting development. Assuming all goes tits up after Jon gets stabbed, castle black would be fit to explode. The position of Karhold would create a tempting rallying point for the wildlings. They obviously would have little or no connection to the NW, Jon was the only string holding that bond together. This is presuming the hostages could be freed, the wildlings certainly have the man power. What better place would there be to take Jon while he heals/recovers? This would allow for enough time to raise a considerable strength host for Jon to later lead (considerable for the current state of the north). Alys would support Jon in any way she could, he saved her ass, Sighorn would probably follow her judgement/decisions.



*Disclaimer - This "theory" would be turning a blind eye to Mel, her demon god and the whole "waking of dragons from stone" thing. I personally have a quarter belief of the kill Shireen - revive Jon - Jon the Targ - theory but I also hate that red witch with a passion.



**Further disclaimer - True Crackpot version - Everything said above but Skagos is just off the coast of Karhold. Jon leads the army of wildlings and (Skagosians?) to seat Rickon in Winterfell and restore the Stark house to power.


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I loved her character, but have quite some doubts about what will happen once 200 Thenns get into Karhold, full of women and sparse of swords to defend them.

But the Thenns aren't like other wildlings, they live with laws and order. Sigorn is not going to want his new subjects harmed by their new contemporaries, I wouldn't think.

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I agree the Thenns in Karhold storyline is going to be paramount to the story of the North in the upcoming novel. This is probably the first time in history that wildlings have been named and raised to a position within Westerosi society, let alone lordship. This sets the precedent for the future assimilation of the wildlings into the realm of the 7 kingdoms.



Heres a prediction I haven't heard before....Sigorn kills one of the Boltons. The thenns of Karhold end up saving Stannis and or the northmen when it seems that all hope is lost. This earns the Thenns the respect of the Northern lords and acceptance as the lords of Karhold.

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Probably Jon most's politically clever decision; definitely full of foresight given the state of that house in general. I don't think anyone will make trouble there - people adapt quickly to comfort, and I doubt either sig or alys would want anyone to destroy their new property.


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The Thens really are a lot like westerosi with how they obey their lords the only difference is language and using bronze. It should be interesting I especially with Jon in his current state or lack there of. It was so stupid to do that to Jon Bowen marsh is not a very bright individual. In some ways I understand why he put a knife in Jon but he really didn't think it through. Bowen is a lot like roose in a sense, Rob almost always ignored roose's council and did as he and his honor thought best (at least in the show getting a little murky remembering if it was same in the books) Jon always listened to Bowen but he never understood and was too stubborn to see Jon's way but he never heeded his council because it was bad council. So Bowen being ignored and thinking he couldn't talk any sense into Jon decided to shank him.

Now the thenns really are the wildcards among the wildlings others are bound by blood but the thenns are bound by honor and duty they could really fuck the NW up and turn the final stone over being pissed about Jon pretty sure alys would want vengeance for Jon as well.

I'm curious to see how on earth will the tv show get a westerosi girl to marry a cannable wildling. Should be interesting.. Kinda bummed how the show did it because although the thenns were ruthless in the books they were also the most interesting culture because of their history: who wouldn't like to know more about the thenns. Oh well anyways I'd predict they will spill some Bowen blood for Jon which is exactly what Jon wouldn't if wanted

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**Further disclaimer - True Crackpot version - Everything said above but Skagos is just off the coast of Karhold. Jon leads the army of wildlings and (Skagosians?) to seat Rickon in Winterfell and restore the Stark house to power.

:commie: Yay! I love it! I hope it happens.

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There must also be Thenn women and children.. probably no need for the people at Karhold to rush to lock he womwn up.

With Thenn women running around, maybe the Karstarks should lock up their men. :laugh:

But the Thenns aren't like other wildlings, they live with laws and order. Sigorn is not going to want his new subjects harmed by their new contemporaries, I wouldn't think.

:agree:

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ETA: I'd love to see more of this couple. I think they have potential to be greatly entertaining if not downright adorable.

What's not to love? A barely civilized, Bronze Age cannibal married to a girl forced to choose the lesser of two evils nuptially.

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Probably Jon most's politically clever decision; definitely full of foresight given the state of that house in general. I don't think anyone will make trouble there - people adapt quickly to comfort, and I doubt either sig or alys would want anyone to destroy their new property.

Dead King Robb would approve of disinheriting the traitorous Karstark name.

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