Captain of the Guard Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is it just me or is anyone else pissed off that this supposed boy king Aegon Targaryen just rocks up out of absolutely nowhere and has an immense opportunity to sieze the Iron Throne.It feels like hes stealing it! For books and books we have been reading and following Danearys Targaryen's journey towards her ultimate goal - getting her fathers throne back.All of a sudden Aegon comes out of nowhere and at this stage I just dont feel like there needs to be another contestant for the throne. It just feels like an all to sudden plot change crammed into the story at the last minute to add a bit of extra spice to the Targaryen situation and to the War of the Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yes. It gets on my nerves.I think if Varys would have mentioned the possibility of the north supporting a return of Targaryen rule to Ned while he was in the prison cell, it´d have been better.Then I´d have read ACOK, ASOS, and AFFC waiting for him to pop up, and then making an educated guess about his identity while reading about Tyrion in ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tini Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yes. It gets on my nerves.I think if Varys would have mentioned the possibility of the north supporting a return of Targaryen rule to Ned while he was in the prison cell, it´d have been better.Then I´d have read ACOK, ASOS, and AFFC waiting for him to pop up, and then making an educated guess about his identity while reading about Tyrion in ADWD.Ned helped Robert win the throne. Ned was not a Targaryen supporter - he was one of the rebels.Why would Varys tell Ned anything regarding a possible return of Targaryen rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Ned helped Robert win the throne. Ned was not a Targaryen supporter - he was one of the rebels.Why would Varys tell Ned anything regarding a possible return of Targaryen rule?I agree it would be a risk.But at that time Robert was dead, Ned wanted to be rid of the Lannisters and with northern support+golden company, Aegon would be in a good position. But lots of other things would have had to be changed.At least getting to know about him in ACOK or ASOS would have been better I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdesteFideles Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I never liked this particular twist. For me all it did was show us what Dany could have been doing instead of sitting in Mereen for all that time. I'm going to guess that this entire plot will be excised from the TV show. Can't say I would miss it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'm going to guess that this entire plot will be excised from the TV show. Can't say I would miss it either. That to me sounds like the kind of change that would make the TV show "inspired by" rather than "based on."It´s not all bad. I like Jon Con´s character, the boat-arc, the game of cyvasse, and the characters themselves ... it´s just that I wish it didn´t appear out of nowhere like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taemlyn Blackfyre Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 There is no way he is the real McCoy. After all the speculation regarding the Golden Company and the backstory of the Blackfyres' failed rebellions, they would be the very last to want to support a Targaryen. I don't know if any of you have read the Dunk and Egg stories, but they are pretty explicit in describing the enmity between the two Houses and just how close Daemon came to defeating the Loyalists. Why would a Company forged in defeat at the hands of the Targaryens want to foster their long lost prince and return him to the Iron Throne? There is only one answer I can conceive, which is that Aegon = Faegon. My best guess is that he comes from a hidden branch of the Blackfyres (many suspect Illyrio's Serra to be the mother, herself possibly being a daughter of Maelys the Monstrous). Daemon Blackfyre had seven sons, three of which were too young to be involved in the Blackfyre Rebellion or mentioned in the Dunk and Egg stories. Come forward 80 years and another failed rebellion somewhere in the middle and you have much more probability of that line producing a boy child of the right age and appearance to carry of the Mummer's charade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Whether real or not Aegon is in effect a spoiler for Danaerys. Were she to turn up in Westeros by herself as the Targaryen heir she would be able to rally both the old supporters of her house and those seeking an alternative (any alternative) to rule by the Lannisters. Instead Aegon is doing that. Therefore when and if Danaerys ever sets foot in Westeros she won't do so as a longed-for liberator but as just one more pretender with her credibility diminished accordingly - especially if there are problems with dragons going astray in the meantime. The point being that it means her arrival isn't going to be a shoe-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longspear Ryk Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I enjoyed his appearance in the novels, but then again i also love all the new characters/POVs we get and don't think it undermines the narrative in the LEAST bit Aegon is going to steal the throne and be sitting it by the time Daenarys arrives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I enjoyed his appearance in the novels, but then again i also love all the new characters/POVs we get and don't think it undermines the narrative in the LEAST bit Aegon is going to steal the throne and be sitting it by the time Daenarys arrives I agree, he's either going to be sitting there and therefore highly inconvenient, or he's going to be dead - and if dead far too many other people who would otherwise have rallied to Danaerys are going to be dead as well. And those who live are going to be correspondingly reluctant to risk all for the next candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallout Dude Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 No. Because he is not Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byronlhsdrmr Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Does it bother me: no. I actually found Aegon and co. quite refreshing. Dany has been nothing but disappointing since her dragons hatched. She did nothing in Clash and nothing in Dance. Meanwhile Aegon doesn't even have dragons but he still is bold enough to reclaim what he believes is his birthright. I'm not sure why people call Aegon fake... I mean I have no doubt his name is Aegon. He simply is not the son of Rhaegar. Too much has been made of the backfyre line being exstinguished from the male line. Also, Illyrio's entire conversation with Tyrion in Dance alludes to Aegon being a descendent of a blackfyre. However, I do believe that Aegon and even Jon Connington are convinced he truly is the real Aegon. Either way though, I do not feel it matters. As Illyrio said, "A dragon is a dragon whether red or black." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 No. Because he is not Aegon. Ah, but that's not the point. Enough people are going to believe he is to muddy the waters if and when Danaerys ever does make it to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixDark Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Just because you don't like the plot doesn't mean it came from nowhere. Martin began spreading doubt about Aegon's death in ACOK, with the HOTU prophesy concerning a mummer's dragon. When asked, he has never said Aegon was dead; you can look this up in the So Spake Martin section, going back to 2000. Also AFFC seems to also hint at this, with the story about the blackTarg inn sign that fell into the river, which found its way thousands of miles down stream, by which point it was red with rust.I think Aegon is a fraud, a Blackfyre, for reasons mentioned already. Personally I think some fans are upset moreso because Dany could have easily been in this position, if her story went different. What if Connington and Aegon arrived earlier during her Mereen story and proved their worth during the battle with the Yunkai; same with Tyrion. Afterwards they could head for Voltantis, free it with help of the dragons, and head off to Westeros. That type of plot seems like it could have been done, but instead Dany has taken the long road while Aegon took the fast one.I honestly think Aegon will sit on the throne before TWOW ends. Meanwhile I have no idea what Dany will do next, although I look forward to seeing what her decision is. I just hope to god she doesn't hang around with dothraki for multiple chapters before heading back to Mereen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wayne-1st of His Name Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Is it just me or is anyone else pissed off that this supposed boy king Aegon Targaryen just rocks up out of absolutely nowhere and has an immense opportunity to sieze the Iron Throne. It feels like hes stealing it! For books and books we have been reading and following Danearys Targaryen's journey towards her ultimate goal - getting her fathers throne back. All of a sudden Aegon comes out of nowhere and at this stage I just dont feel like there needs to be another contestant for the throne. It just feels like an all to sudden plot change crammed into the story at the last minute to add a bit of extra spice to the Targaryen situation and to the War of the Kings. Being caught up on the show and then gone through all the books once, I am not surprised of Aegon popping up. One of the underlying things in the story is how everything is tied to Rhaegar/Elia/Lyana, their children and the fall of the Mad King. I've now been wondering. Is Rhaegar's daughter was hidden away as well? We all are pretty sure Jon Snow is Rhaegar's too. Will all of the lost dragons unite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathiuscrom Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 ALL HAIL THE BLACKFYRES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 ... it´s just that I wish it didn´t appear out of nowhere like that. It didn't. People have been theorizing an Aegon return since the first time we were told that the babies face was unrecognisably smashed in. thats in AGoT IIRC...And that theory doubled in strength (and some) when GRRM confirmed Rahenys was dead but notably did not confirm the same of Aegon. There is no way he is the real McCoy. After all the speculation regarding the Golden Company and the backstory of the Blackfyres' failed rebellions, they would be the very last to want to support a Targaryen. I don't know if any of you have read the Dunk and Egg stories, but they are pretty explicit in describing the enmity between the two Houses and just how close Daemon came to defeating the Loyalists. Why would a Company forged in defeat at the hands of the Targaryens want to foster their long lost prince and return him to the Iron Throne? There is only one answer I can conceive, which is that Aegon = Faegon. Try a re-read and pay closer attention this time to what they actually say, and what they are now, as opposed to what they were 2 generations ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Try a re-read and pay closer attention this time to what they actually say, and what they are now, as opposed to what they were 2 generations ago. I definitely understand the idea that the Golden Company at this point just want to go "home" and are willing to follow a Targaryen if need be to get them there. It's perfectly reasonable and it even jives with what the captains themselves say to Aegon. . . . however, a surviving female Blackfyre is implied by the text, and even if that isn't Serra, Illyrio is unambiguously the one in charge of the Golden Company. Illyrio is also old enough to have been a young man during the War of the Ninepenny Kings, which is back when the Golden Company was still definitely pro Blackfye and when asked how exactly he controls the Golden Company, Illryio responds with "some contracts are written in blood". So I ask, what possible blood connection from that time period could make the Golden Company hold Illyrio Mopatis and his plans as a higher loyalty than any and all bidders? The only answer is Blackfyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I definitely understand the idea that the Golden Company at this point just want to go "home" and are willing to follow a Targaryen if need be to get them there. It's perfectly reasonable and it even jives with what the captains themselves say to Aegon. . . . however, a surviving female Blackfyre is implied by the text, and even if that isn't Serra, Illyrio is unambiguously the one in charge of the Golden Company. Illyrio is also old enough to have been a young man during the War of the Ninepenny Kings, which is back when the Golden Company was still definitely pro Blackfye and when asked how exactly he controls the Golden Company, Illryio responds with "some contracts are written in blood". So I ask, what possible blood connection from that time period could make the Golden Company hold Illyrio Mopatis and his plans as a higher loyalty than any and all bidders? The only answer is Blackfyre. This. The line about "contracts written in blood" is what got me to believe that (f)Aegon is descended from the Blackfyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borys of Ur Draxa Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Dany could be in KL before Aegon gets there; at Meeren, there's 50 Iron-born ships heading there and she's about to get herself a Dothraki army.My guess is that there's going to be several plot-twists and cliff-hangers that won't be concluded until aDoS.If the vision from the House of the Undying about KL is true, I suspect KL might be over-run with the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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