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Sansa and Petyr


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#1 Lost Melnibonean

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:28 PM

As distasteful as it seems, after rooting for her to retain her innocence through five books, I'm beginning to believe that Sansa will end up with Petyr, either as his wife or his lover, probably not his victim...

Exhibit A

When Sansa finally looked up, a man was standing over her, staring. He was short, with a pointed beard and a silver streak in his hair, almost as old as her father. "You must be one of her daughters," he said to her. He had grey-green eyes that did not smile when his mouth did. "You have the Tully look."

"I'm Sansa Stark," she said, ill at ease. The man wore a heavy cloak with a fur collar, fastened with a silver mockingbird, and he had the effortless manner of a high lord, but she did not know him. "I have not had the honor, my lord."

Septa Mordane quickly took a hand. "Sweet child, this is Lord Petyr Baelish, of the king's small council."

"Your mother was my queen of beauty once," the man said quietly. His breath smelled of mint. "You have her hair." His fingers brushed against her cheek as he stroked one auburn lock. Quite abruptly he turned and walked away.


Exhibit B

Sansa had no choice but to explain about heroes and monsters. The king's councillor smiled. "Well, those are not the reasons I'd have given, but . . . " He had touched her cheek, his thumb lightly tracing the line of a cheekbone. "Life is not a song, sweetling. You may learn that one day to your sorrow."

Exhibit C

Sansa seated herself beside the queen. Cersei smiled again, but that did not make her feel any less anxious. Varys was wringing his soft hands together, Grand Maester Pycelle kept his sleepy eyes on the papers in front of him, but she could feel Littlefinger staring. Something about the way the small man looked at her made Sansa feel as though she had no clothes on. Goose bumps pimpled her skin. ...

"She reminds me of the mother, not the father," Lord Petyr Baelish said quietly. "Look at her. The hair, the eyes. She is the very image of Cat at the same age."


Exhibit D

Last night I dreamed of that time Lysa and I got lost while riding back from Seagard. Do you remember? That strange fog came up and we fell behind the rest of the party. Everything was grey, and I could not see a foot past the nose of my horse. We lost the road. The branches of the trees were like long skinny arms reaching out to grab us as we passed. Lysa started to cry, and when I shouted the fog seemed to swallow the sound. But Petyr knew where we were, and he rode back and found us . . . Catelyn to an unconscious Hoster, Catelyn VII, Clash

Replace Catelyn and Lysa with Sansa. As they lost the road, Sansa lost her direwolf and her connection to House Stark. As Petyr found and saved them as Catelyn recalls it, Petyr came back at great risk and saved Sansa from House Lannister.

Exhibit E

But his sister had left the wilds, to walk in the halls of man-rock where other hunters ruled, and once within those halls it was hard to find the path back out. The wolf prince remembered.--Bran I, Storm

Edited by Lost Melnibonean, 21 July 2014 - 12:25 AM.


#2 Queen Sansa Stark

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:41 PM

I hardly doubt this. Sansa will break free from his clutches. The pomegranate scene between Sansa and Petyr says it all. Plus Little Finger's endgame is most likely getting beheaded and his head spiked on the walls of winterfell. As a compensation for being part of Ned's death ^_^


Edited by Queen Sansa Stark, 25 February 2014 - 11:44 PM.


#3 Leonardo

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:48 PM

I hardly doubt this. Sansa will break free from his clutches. The pomegranate scene between Sansa and Petyr says it all. Plus Little Finger's endgame is most likely getting beheaded and his head spiked on the walls of winterfell. As a compensation for being part of Ned's death ^_^

Agreed; the pomegranate thing was a bit too telling for me, and he specifically offers her one.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:59 PM

I hope Sansa kills him. Does she know about the part he played in her fathers death... and really, the destruction of her family?



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:05 AM

I hope Sansa kills him. Does she know about the part he played in her fathers death... and really, the destruction of her family?

 

She knows that Lysa poisoned Jon Arryn, but that is all. I think that she will figure it out eventually given the time. 



#6 Djustin_Unchained

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:01 AM

what pomegranate scene? is it when they first reach Fingers after her escape?



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:03 AM

what pomegranate scene? is it when they first reach Fingers after her escape?

Aye

 

It may just be offhand, but I don't think so somehow. Littlefinger offers her a pomegranate, and she decides on a pear instead.



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:20 AM

what pomegranate scene? is it when they first reach Fingers after her escape?

 

Yes it is. In fact that in that whole chapter there is massive amount of foreshadowing of where Sansa and her dynamic with Petyr will hit off. 



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 04:19 PM

I think that's his plan but I don't think he'll succeed.  I've got this idea that he knows about Aegon and plans to marry Sansa to him, then after she gets pregnant conveniently bump off her husband and marry her himself, thus taking over the kingdom as regent and raising the next king or queen as his own child.  He gets the IT in a sense, and Cat 2.0.  

 

Thing is, I figure Sansa will stand up to him and refuse to play along, at which point he'll decide to kill her and she gets saved either by Sandor or Arya.



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 04:39 PM

 

 

she gets saved either by Sandor or Arya.

 

I sincerely hope that this doesn't happen. Sansa represents the deconstruction of the damsel in distress trope and her being saved by someone would enable that trope instead of deconstruct it. In fact the way her narrative is going it is highly likely she will same herself. Which is, IMO, wildly poetic. 



#11 Lost Melnibonean

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:05 PM

Exhibit B

Sansa had no choice but to explain about heroes and monsters. The king's councillor smiled. "Well, those are not the reasons I'd have given, but . . . " He had touched her cheek, his thumb lightly tracing the line of a cheekbone. "Life is not a song, sweetling. You may learn that one day to your sorrow."

Friggin hotdog...

#12 Pod The Impaler

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:39 PM

It is considered a sort of "worst case scenario" among hardcore Lemoncakes, and rarely acknowledged as even possible.

 

Yes, the cliffhanger ending at the end of her part in AFFC leaves it an open question whether she will or won't gravitate towards Littefinger romantically, pitting her growing suspicion of how he operates ruthlessly and manipulates people, versus her growing admiration for how he operates ruthlessly and manipulates people. 

Yes, the odds are against it - perhaps strongly against it - but I would never call it impossible to have GRRM have the story take (another) turn towards injustice or tragedy, either as a foolish mistake on her part or willingly as a choice to be closer to him or more like him.

 

Now here's some gravol for you while you consider Sansa and Littlefinger as a couple.  :ack:



#13 myhousigilisthehousecat

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:37 PM

I really like Littlefinger and Sansa. I also really like ketchup and nutella, but there is no way to combine them without being gross. I can definitely see him continuing to escalate his...advances. I'm almost positive that he's plotting to marry her too. If they do get together, I don't think that it will be the ending of the story- he's made too many messes and he's bound to slip and fall on one of them (probably with a push from Sansa). Another thing to keep in mind is that he doesn't just want to get into her smallclothes, he wants her to fall in love with him the way that Cat never did, hence the grooming and deception even though she is already entirely under his control. She doesn't seem to be falling for him despite his efforts (gee I wonder why not :ack:), but she might play along with it in the future for her own gain.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 01:28 AM



. Another thing to keep in mind is that he doesn't just want to get into her smallclothes, he wants her to fall in love with him the way that Cat never did, hence the grooming and deception even though she is already entirely under his control. She doesn't seem to be falling for him despite his efforts (gee I wonder why not :ack:), but she might play along with it in the future for her own gain.

 

 

Oh, no doubt. Sansa is not just another girl - he wants her to see his worthiness, to want the same goals as him, and to want him. (Why else be so demonstrative to her ?) He's going about it in a manipulative way, but in his head I imagine he's got some fantasy of her being the new Mrs. Baelish - a wife with the sort of beauty and breeding that he was told was way out of his league.

 

As you say, she may use it against him - one option for what Sansa becomes, someone who can (with some callousness) do this to people - even him. She's certainly more of a "player" of the game if she does.

 

I wrote a very long thing about Sansa and LF last year (or the year before?) in the Sansa PTP thread - maybe check it out. ...

http://asoiaf.wester...v/#entry3804345


Edited by Pod The Impaler, 12 March 2014 - 01:29 AM.


#15 Joey Crows

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 01:36 AM

Sansa either has a much more important and poignant role to play in the story, or she is going to remain a pawn in the game played by smarter characters. If GRRM has a grand idea of how she will progress then she can't remain in the clutches of Littlefinger. However, she does seem, thus far, to be little more than a pretty face with a powerful heritage. If she continues to be just that, then I could understand her being tethered to Baelish and ultimately being killed off.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 02:11 AM

I hope Sansa kills him. Does she know about the part he played in her fathers death... and really, the destruction of her family?

Nope and one of the people who knew had his head chopped off by Jon, one had his throat slit by some little birds, one is a Eunuch doing his own game, one was regicided, one is Cersei and one is somebody who she doesn't trust and is married to.



#17 myhousigilisthehousecat

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:51 AM

 

 

Oh, no doubt. Sansa is not just another girl - he wants her to see his worthiness, to want the same goals as him, and to want him. (Why else be so demonstrative to her ?) He's going about it in a manipulative way, but in his head I imagine he's got some fantasy of her being the new Mrs. Baelish - a wife with the sort of beauty and breeding that he was told was way out of his league.

 

As you say, she may use it against him - one option for what Sansa becomes, someone who can (with some callousness) do this to people - even him. She's certainly more of a "player" of the game if she does.

 

I wrote a very long thing about Sansa and LF last year (or the year before?) in the Sansa PTP thread - maybe check it out. ...

http://asoiaf.wester...v/#entry3804345

Wow, I read the whole thing and that was really well done and detailed, thanks!



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:53 AM

I hope she falls in love with him.

 

Just to see the fan reaction.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:01 AM

Sansa/Alayne has already accepted LF as a father surrogate:  

"Father and I have larger concerns."  

And just like Ned, she's going to inadvertently betray him.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:49 AM

Nope it won't happen. The original title of the last book says everything.