Stormland's Fury Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'm pretty sure Mel knows all about Jon's warging. Why else would we have the scene with her and ghost and Jon all surprised. She was sending him a message and I'm not sure Jon got it. Jon is an ok guy, but sometimes he seems to suffer from Asperger's, I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I am not a fan of having hundred compelling characters and in the end everything revolves only about like 2 or 3. Wouldn't fit with the world building in this case.I'm sure they will all play their parts in the end, I've just personally always felt the trio of Dany, Jon, Bran will play the biggest parts in war against the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrannogDweller Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'm sure they will all play their parts in the end, I've just personally always felt the trio of Dany, Jon, Bran will play the biggest parts in war against the Others. I see them as duos. Bran/Bloodraven, Jon/Mel(or Stannis) and Dany/Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'm sure they will all play their parts in the end, I've just personally always felt the trio of Dany, Jon, Bran will play the biggest parts in war against the Others. They will maybe represent different factions, if at all. But will be very important nonetheless. The actual game of thrones becomes more and more irrelevant, even if that's the most appealing part for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I see Dany as the one who prepares the way for the true savior. Kind of similar to John the Baptist in Christian history. She is laying the very important groundwork for Jon's ascension. Without her, Jon could not take his place, so she has a very important role. Just not the savior of mankind role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 They will maybe represent different factions, if at all. But will be very important nonetheless. The actual game of thrones becomes more and more irrelevant, even if that's the most appealing part for me.I love the politics and the magic. I think he's had a great balance between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I see Dany as the one who prepares the way for the true savior. Kind of similar to John the Baptist in Christian history. She is laying the very important groundwork for Jon's ascension. Without her, Jon could not take his place, so she has a very important role. Just not the savior of mankind role.I like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If you refer to Mel's vision your title is wrong. The correct is "All I see is Snow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 She could also have referred to her coke addiction, which makes her see stuff in fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 To me it was clear she meant Jon when saying all she sees is Snow. She doesn't realize it, but why else would it be capitalized? As to the poster who said he thinks Mel had a hand in Jon being stabbed, so he could be reborn? That makes no sense to me. If that was the case then why didn't she have Stannis stabbed when she thought he was AAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 To me it was clear she meant Jon when saying all she sees is Snow. She doesn't realize it, but why else would it be capitalized? Because she meant all she saw was Jon. Why unnecessary confuse the reader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 To me it was clear she meant Jon when saying all she sees is Snow. She doesn't realize it, but why else would it be capitalized?As to the poster who said he thinks Mel had a hand in Jon being stabbed, so he could be reborn? That makes no sense to me. If that was the case then why didn't she have Stannis stabbed when she thought he was AAR? No, she clearly DOES realize that she is seeing Jon, and that is troubling her, because it doesn't fit with her previous interpretations of her visions where she had Stannis as the savior. She can't understand WHY she is seeing Jon, and it would seem that she is assuming that it is just some kind of interference or clouding of her visions, perhaps because of Jon's proximity while Stannis is far away, or perhaps because of the magic of the Wall and Jon's association with it. So Mellisandre is seeing Jon instead of Stannis, and this is troubling her. But she hasn't yet come to the realization that Jon has replaced Stannis as the savior, and that Stannis was in fact merely the vehicle that would bring her to Jon - the true savior. I say she hasn't realized it, and by that I mean at the time of her POV chapter where she sees Jon. But she may well have made the paradigm shift by the time of Jon's assassination. We just don't see her POV again at that point. In Winds things will get a lot clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln of Lannisport Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 In Winds things will get a lot clearer. Or so we hope.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 To me it was clear she meant Jon when saying all she sees is Snow. She doesn't realize it, but why else would it be capitalized?As to the poster who said he thinks Mel had a hand in Jon being stabbed, so he could be reborn? That makes no sense to me. If that was the case then why didn't she have Stannis stabbed when she thought he was AAR?She does understand what she seesSkulls. A thousand skulls, and the bastard boy again. Jon Snow... Yet now she could not even seem to find her king. I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow.She does understand that she sees Jon she doesn't understand why she is seeing Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Has potentially a dual meaning. Winter is comming and that means Snow but if she is looking for the Prince that was Prommissed then we all know that is probably Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yes. Probably. Snow is snow. Or "The Snowman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 ok first and foremost, melisandre isn't "good" or "evil," in my opinion. she was sent from volantis, by benerro, to spread the word of r'hllor to westeros. thoros didnt do such a hot job, whereas she did amazingly, converting the majority of stannis' people (including the proper king himself) into r'hllor's inquisitive light. moqorro as well, moqorro was sent to convert daenerys (not gonna happen, by the by, in my opinion). thing is, mel was bought at a young, and raised as a slave in volantis (i realize shes originally from asshai, but iirc, headquarters for r'hllor are volantis). picture a girl, bought at a young age, brainwashed by a cult religion. brainwashed to the extent she actually believes stannis to be azor ahai (not so much anymore, i dont think. i think she's changed her mind on just who AA actually is). While her methods may be questionable, she believes, believes, she's doing the right thing, and isnt malevolent. and while there have been sacrifices, killings and such in the name of their faith, you have to admit, there's is the only faith that pays back. Resurrections, foretellings, channelings, hell, shadowmancy (though i think thats limited to melisandre, being a shadowbinder class originally from asshai). With such substantial evidence of existence, who in their right mind should question it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yes. Probably. Snow is snow. Or "The Snowman". Or, uh, His Snowness, or, uh, Snower, or El Snowereino if you're not into the whole brevity thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrhen Blackwood Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Or, uh, His Snowness, or, uh, Snower, or El Snowereino if you're not into the whole brevity thing. NIce. This might be the first Lebowski quote that I've seen on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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