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#1 Maester Samwell Joramun

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 06:30 PM

I am half way through Moons of Ice, and I have a question. I gather the T'lan Mass have performed a ritual to obtain their immortality. But, I've never seen it explained how the Tiste Andii have obtain theirs. Are they all ascendants? Is it the candles that we see Kallor use? Or am I way off?

Edited by Maester Samwell Joramun, 20 March 2014 - 06:31 PM.


#2 Captain Goatf*cker

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 06:54 PM

Check out www.malazanempire.com for all your answers.  But, if I remember correctly, the Tiste Andii are just immortal, no ritual needed, kinda like the Assail, Jaghut, and Tiste Edur.  



#3 Maester Samwell Joramun

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 07:05 PM

Hey thanks. I just don't want to be spoiled on other parts if the series, ya know? I've seen the site before, just try to stay away from it so I don't over indulge myself. Thanks though.

Eta: but then, why do we have that scene in Kallor's tent when he's using those candles? If your immortal, why use candles that add a century on to your life? Kind of a waste, don't you think?

Edited by Maester Samwell Joramun, 20 March 2014 - 07:08 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2014 - 07:16 PM

Eta: but then, why do we have that scene in Kallor's tent when he's using those candles? If your immortal, why use candles that add a century on to your life? Kind of a waste, don't you think?

Kallor is human, so if he wants immortality he has to do something to get it.



#5 Maester Samwell Joramun

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 07:44 PM

Kallor is human, so if he wants immortality he has to do something to get it.


Oh, I thought him and the one whiskeyjack is a lover with where both tiste andii. Have to go back and re-read. Thanks

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:31 PM

Kallor is human, so if he wants immortality he has to do something to get it.


I thought he was cursed to live forever?

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:57 PM

I thought he was cursed to live forever?

 

Yes, Nightchill and her compatriot Elder gods cursed him to live forever but never achieve satisfaction.  They did not, however, grant him everlasting youth, so the candles keep him feeling fresh all day long.

 

So Kallor is a human who is uniquely cursed to live forever.

 

The Tiste races have elven-like long lives or maybe immortality.

 

The T'lan Imass are the large portion of the Imass race who performed a ritual that caused them to exist forever, although it is not "living" forever.  Some Imass either escaped the rite or didn't know to participate.

 

Those are my personal understandings of the different characters in TMBOTF.


Edited by Wilbur, 21 March 2014 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:27 PM

Oh, I thought him and the one whiskeyjack is a lover with where both tiste andii. Have to go back and re-read. Thanks

Whiskeyjack's lover is a Tiste Andii, but not Kallor. You'll find more about Kallor's background in future books, he keeps turning up.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 06:37 PM

Kallor? Is that the Elder God who appeared around a fire in Kruppe's dream and at one point gave up his god powers or something to... for some reason?



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 07:14 PM

No.  That's K'rul, one of the elder gods that condemned Kallor to eternal life.



#11 Maester Samwell Joramun

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 07:59 PM

Ya know, prior to starting this series, I heard a lot of complaints about it being hard reading. I love this series. You can get bogged down sometimes, but then you either meet someone new or a lot of action takes place. Its one of the best series I've read.

I just can't wait to learn who the hell kruppe is or who is working on behalf of. But, I get the feeling he's really the main man, just playing it off.,......really well.

Eta: just so I got a idea, how long until kruppe's true identity is revealed? I'm thinking its gonna remain hidden at least for a few more books. Remember, I'm on MoI.

Edited by Maester Samwell Joramun, 21 March 2014 - 08:10 PM.


#12 Maester Samwell Joramun

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 08:15 PM

Also, let me see if I got this right. I'm just right past where K'rul reveals himself at the parley. And he says he's more a manifestation than really walking the "earth". But, his real self is stuck inside of Draginpur, right? That's why Nightchill wants Paran to shatter the blade. That's what I gather at least.

Edited by Maester Samwell Joramun, 21 March 2014 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

I don't remember Kruppe ever getting really "revealed" but I can say that K'rul isn't in Dragnipur.  There's so, so much involved and it's been three years since I read TCG (or whenever it came out) that I really can't say anything definitively.  You really need to post these questions over at malazanempire.com; they're as obsessed with the series as the people are here about aSoIaF.  There, you will get definitive answers, much better than mine.  Just don't poke around too much and you'll avoid spoilers - they're pretty big on avoiding those over there and the mods will try to keep you unspoiled.  



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 10:15 PM

Kallor isn't an Elder God, he's just a human who can't die and can't ascend.

 

 

I finished Dust of Dreams yesterday. What a book.

 

Spoiler

 

K'rul isn't inside Dragnipur, the one that's there is

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(I think someone mentions this on the prologue.)

(don't quote me if you're still on MoI, because you'll get my DoD spoilers as well :lol:)



#15 Ghjhero

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 10:24 PM

Also, let me see if I got this right. I'm just right past where K'rul reveals himself at the parley. And he says he's more a manifestation than really walking the "earth". But, his real self is stuck inside of Draginpur, right? That's why Nightchill wants Paran to shatter the blade. That's what I gather at least.


No Draconus is the one stuck inside the sword. I still don't understand what the difference between ascending and being a god is. Apparently Trake was only an ascendent, but when that K'ell Hunter killed him he became a god??? I don't really understand the immortality system at all.

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 10:44 PM

I dont think Erikson understands the immortality system :P

 

Um, I thought kruppe reveals him self in book 1... It's been a while. Read these as they came ot in the US.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 11:24 PM

For those of you currently reading the MBOTF, I can't recommend enough the re-read on Tor.com and the discussion comments.

 

My enjoyment was immensely increased by being able to peruse the thoughts of the two readers and the forum participants.

 

http://www.tor.com/f...d-of-the-fallen

 

Right now the re-read is at Ch. 15 of Dust of Dreams, a rather fraught chapter indeed.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 12:21 AM

I follow the reread every now and then, it's really helpful. When I started I thought I was never going to catch up with them, and I'm already on TCG now! :lol:

 

It seems Erikson is going to participate in the discussion of chapter 15 next Wednesday. I might try to think of some questions to ask. By the way, there are some spoilerish remarks on the Dust of Dreams rereads...



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:34 AM

Yeah I'm staying away from the reread discussion. I've heard it's laden with spoilers. I just finished MoI, does anyone know of any interviews that SE had after it was published?

#20 Maester Samwell Joramun

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 10:42 AM

Ok draconus. Yea, now I remember. Nightchill explained that. Sorry but it gets a lil confusing with so many of them.