Edmure's Floppy Fish Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Major Spoiler from the Tyrion WoW chapter released with the WOIAF app update today. Don't ready any further if you don't want to know. (Sorry, I don't know how to use the spoiler function)Im fairly new and this is my second post. In Tyrions WOW chapter release in the World of Ice and Fire App update, I feel like the white dragon piece from the cvaysee game, landing at Tyrion's feet and him throwing it in the air and then catching it is major foreshadowing of him riding Dany's white dragon. He picks up the piece and tosses it in the air as they turn sides from the yunkai to Dany. What do you guys think? (Sorry if I posted in the wrong spot or broke forum etiquette!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Wedding Cake Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Sure. Why not? There will probably be at least one non-Targaryen head of a dragon in the dragon has three heads saying. Daeny really needs a Tyrion on her side for battle tactics and running the day to day stuff. The kingdoms she's conquered are so torn apart it'll be a wonder if she keeps them on her way to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Lately I am leaning towards Tyrion being a descendant of Eleana Targaryen, through the Plumm family. Viserion was the most attracted of the three dragons to Brown Ben Plumm. That is also foreshadowing Tyrion will ride Viserion.Pretty sure a drop or two of dragon blood is necessary for dragon riding, but it may turn out to be the female line that matters more, so not members of house Targaryen, but Targaryen mothers or grandmothers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Oh God I hope not. Tyrion is a vile self loathing creature. If he is able to control that kind of power its a sad day for Westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Oh God I hope not. Tyrion is a vile self loathing creature. If he is able to control that kind of power its a sad day for WesterosI disagree. He is one of the very few people with the knowledge and tactical skill to SAVE Westeros. He certainly has a complex personal history, but calling him simply vile ignores all the very noble and admirable things he has also done, such as designing a saddle for Bran, saving KL from being sacked, not raping Sansa when by all the laws of Westeros he had a right to and was even being pressured to do so by his father, giving Podrick the first father figure he ever had and bit of education as well, etc.He is also one of the few people who has been to the Wall, so he will have some respect for the war against the Others.I also have no doubt his knowledge of drains, cisterns, general masonry, mechanics of chain building and saddle design, along with the relationship he set up that way with Bran is a clue he will help rebuild Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornishscorpion Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Oh God I hope not. Tyrion is a vile self loathing creature. If he is able to control that kind of power its a sad day for Westerosi think tyrion has repeatedly show that deep inside he is a good person. It is his family circumstances and position that make him act sometimes in a morally unacceptable way. And i think if he's in the service of a good leader such as Danaerys or even Jon he will prove to be of excellent service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animist Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Worst title ever if you're actually attempting not to spoil Tyrion riding a dragon for people. I didnt read the other stuff in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 i think tyrion has repeatedly show that deep inside he is a good person. It is his family circumstances and position that make him act sometimes in a morally unacceptable way. And i think if he's in the service of a good leader such as Danaerys or even Jon he will prove to be of excellent service I dont even.... Tyrion was a somewhat good person. In GOT. But when he was forced into the Game by his father. The game corrupted him and turned him. From his first chapter as acting hand we see evidence of his vile nature. He says he is there to perform "justice". But the only justice he serves is to better serve him self. Then as an after thought his house. Tyrion is a selfish black hearted creature. Who resents the world for being a dwarf. Giving Tyrion a dragon will only spread pain and suffering across the world. I like Tyrion as a character. But the amount of white washing that he gets is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I dont even.... Tyrion was a somewhat good person. In GOT. But when he was forced into the Game by his father. The game corrupted him and turned him. From his first chapter as acting hand we see evidence of his vile nature. He says he is there to perform "justice". But the only justice he serves is to better serve him self. Then as an after thought his house. Tyrion is a selfish black hearted creature.Not true. He is grey and has always been grey. Both good and bad. Even in his darkest place he found a way to save two people other than himself from slavery. You could argue saving Jorah was self-serving because he is a fighter, but if he was only serving himself there was no need to save Penny. Personally I find posters that dismiss Tyrion as vile are vile themselves because they show lack of empathy for the horror his life has been and the strength it has taken for him to do the good things he has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Not true. He is grey and has always been grey. Both good and bad. Even in his darkest place he found a way to save two people other than himself from slavery. You could argue saving Jorah was self-serving because he is a fighter, but if he was only serving himself there was no need to save Penny. Personally I find posters that dismiss Tyrion as vile are vile themselves because they show lack of empathy for the horror his life has been and the strength it has taken for him to do the good things he has done. Penny is his only avenue for redemption. But Im pretty convinced he will forsake that route and Penny. http://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/paying-his-debts-part-i-tyrion-in-kings-landing/ This is a very well written assessment of Tyrion. If you have not yet read this users work. I suggest you do. While i do disagree with some of his opinions. Its pretty spot on for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I find pure Tyrion bashing quite upsetting so not inclined to read anything that is.Fiction is a way to see inside the lives and experiences of others. Tyrion is a brilliant character because he suffers from both a physical disability and an abusive family.Martin does not gloss over what being hated for ones entire life does to ones soul. But Tyrion does brilliant admirable things IN SPITE of what he is, as well as doing some horrible things because of it.If he is not redeemed at the end of the books, that will be Martin saying it is ok to treat the disabled like shit. It is ok to dismiss people from abusive families as a lost cause, and anyone who suffers from self hatred is beyond redemption. I strongly believe that is not actually Martin's message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I disagree. He is one of the very few people with the knowledge and tactical skill to SAVE Westeros. He certainly has a complex personal history, but calling him simply vile ignores all the very noble and admirable things he has also done, such as designing a saddle for Bran, saving KL from being sacked, not raping Sansa when by all the laws of Westeros he had a right to and was even being pressured to do so by his father, giving Podrick the first father figure he ever had and bit of education as well, etc.He is also one of the few people who has been to the Wall, so he will have some respect for the war against the Others.I also have no doubt his knowledge of drains, cisterns, general masonry, mechanics of chain building and saddle design, along with the relationship he set up that way with Bran is a clue he will help rebuild Winterfell.I agree with you.And now the so very old debate will start: "is Tyrion evil and if yes how evil" ......yawn......That somewhat dumb debate would be based on the assumption that Tyrion does not "deserve" to get a dragon since the animals should be reserved for good guys, meaning: for those characters certain posters like. Since when do people get what they deserve in these books? And does Dany "deserve" three dragons for the simple fact that she is a born Targaeryen? Obviously the dragons end up with those where a certain story logic is behind, may Tyrion be Targaeryen or not.And I absolutely agree with you, Hippocras. Tyrion is indeed one of the few characters who have been set up by Martin with the qualifications needed to save Westeros, just like you explained above. He is an unlikely hero, just like Sam btw, he has knowledge, has seen many different places and would be a link between different characters and he may have the means to do the deed in the end. His whole history of dragon knowledge a big red herring? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 You can stop this, Muggle,Your assessment, or anyone's assessment, of Tyrion as being "good" or "bad" has nothing at all to do with the likelihood of him riding a Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNinjaDC Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I just don't see Tyrion "riding" a dragon. If Dany's ride with Drogon showed us anything it was that riding a dragon is very exhausting on top of dangerous. And Dany became a great rider through the Dorthraki. A dwarf that can't even ride a trained dog well does not strike me as one capable of riding a dragon into battle. The one exception is if Tyrion "rides" a dragon like Bran would, via magic remote control from a distance away (like with a certain magic death horn). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I just don't see Tyrion "riding" a dragon. If Dany's ride with Drogon showed us anything it was that riding a dragon is very exhausting on top of dangerous. And Dany became a great rider through the Dorthraki. A dwarf that can't even ride a trained dog well does not strike me as one capable of riding a dragon into battle. The one exception is if Tyrion "rides" a dragon like Bran would, via magic remote control from a distance away (like with a certain magic death horn).Well he may well be able to tame it, bond with it and build himself a special saddle. Not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Newcastle Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I don't think Tyrion is a black hearted monster. He is hated for being a dwarf. Even his own father and sister despise him because of his dwarfism and his mother dying giving birth to him. He has issues, that's for certain. And he isn't a white knight by any stretch of the imagination. He's intelligent and I think he means right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNinjaDC Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well he may well be able to tame it, bond with it and build himself a special saddle. Not impossible. He is not a city kid trying to learn how to sattle a horse, he's a dwarf trying to ride a fire breathing beast as it flies and turns at hundreds of miles an hour. He's a tactician not a dragon knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 He is not a city kid trying to learn how to sattle a horse, he's a dwarf trying to ride a fire breathing beast as it flies and turns at hundreds of miles an hour. He's a tactician not a dragon knight.Nettles apparently spent a long time taming a dragon no one else could tame or ride by feeding it sheep. Tactical skill may be useful for dragon taming as well as human politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Shameless self production :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Everybody knows that there's a notch in a dragon's skull, directly between the horns behind the fifth line of scales that exactly the same size as a dwarf's ass. I mean, duh! Of course Tyrion's going to ride a dragon. Him constantly getting screwed over by everybody including his family has only served to toughen his rump for the rough ride ahead of him. Plus that sweet coat he got while in the Vale of Arryn will keep him warm way up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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