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"The Dragon Has Three Heads, There Must Be One More" Who and What are the "3 heads?"


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Who or what does everybody think the three heads prophecy means or represents? Is it simply about Danys 3 Dragons? Or Is it a prophecy regarding 3 separate individuals, similar to Aegon the conqueror and his 2 sisters who conquered Westeros on the backs of their 3 dragons; who will be needed at the same time as TPTWP to help aid his fight against the others?



It seems to be a widely accepted theory around hear that Jon is the three heads in and of himself, being a three headed dragon. While the theory is correct in the Snow to Stark to Targaryen observation, this fact certainly doesn't negate the prophecy's originally interpreted meaning. I feel its flawed to even look at this kind of thing in such a single-minded perspective, since GRRM is too good of a writer to not leave some of these things open for interpretation once its all said and done; and the things we do know for sure will probably take all 7 books for the same reason.



Having said that I believe there's only evidence for these "three heads" to be three separate individuals, one of which being Jon Snow, The Prince That Was Promised, assuming tptwp prophecy also holds true. Now while many people are rightfully skeptical of Rhaegars abilities to accurately interpret these prophecy's, you'd be wrong to entirely discount him in this regard.



Rhaegar knew Tptwp would come from his father and mothers line, and first believed himself to be the Prince while concluding he must change from bookworm to warrior. He soon dropped this idea, instead believing it to be his son (as many of us believe Jon is on both accounts) but thinking it to be his first born son Aegon(As we know from the undying) by his wife Elia. Believing this prophecy to already be fulfilled, Rhaegar still went to desperate measures to try to fulfill the "three heads" prophecy; believing they would all be his children and they would mirror Aegon the conquerer and his two sisters, and be needed alongside Aegon to save westeros the same way Aegons sisters helped him conquer it; which is reflected in Rhaegar naming his first two children Aegon and Rhaenys.



While he believed he needed three children, it is noted that Elia was too weak to give birth to a third child. Going back to Dany's visions in the house of the undying (which everybody analyzes and finds importance in every vision besides this one) after Rhaegar declares aegon tptwp he looks at Dany and says, "there must be one more." I find this essential for multiple reasons, but for now lets just look at it in the light of Rhaegar, right after the birth of his 2nd child saying there must be one more, full well-knowing Elia could not give him another. I believe this to be Rhaegars reason for so foolishly eloping with Lyanna and causing the friction amongst the high-lords that eventually lead to war. He believed the consequences for all people to be worse if he could not fulfill these prophecy's than if he caused a ruckus in the game of thrones, and its a good thing he did think his kids would be the three heads, because if not he wouldn't have taken the drastic actions that lead to the real PTWP's birth.



Knowing that Rhaegar always slightly misinterpreted these prophecy's, I don't think its hard to believe there is going to be three heads, but they all won't be his kids, just like his son was tptwp but it wasn't aegon. Furthermore think back to The Undying visions; Dany is given a glimpse of Rhaegar at a time where he's acknowledging a son of his to be tptwp ( and we do believe his only surviving son is) and while looking at Dany, says there needs to be another. While this first helps understand Rhaegars motivations and lack of reasoning for taking a new lover, its simply telling us something much more about the current story.



1. His son is tptwp, and his is the song of ice and fire, he is one of the three heads.


2. While the vision is a true event from rhaegars life, not some fake apparition, and we know Rhaegar's talking about something else, his stare at Danaerys says " My son is the first(Jon, the blue rose in wall of ice), You are the second, there must be one more."



3. ??? Who could the third head be? If you believe they will be different people who will most contribute to saving Westeros from the Others as I do, Jon and Dany are a safe start, and if I had to put a name to the third one now it'd be Bran. And maybe that's what GRRM meant when he said that not all three would have to be targaryens.



Its certainly open for interpretation and yet again I'm sure there's a reason for the next two books, we aren't suppose to be able to figure out all the answers yet




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I like these points and I agree that Bran is the 3rd head, I think the fact that "he will fly" not only refers to the ravens he wargs, but a dragon he will eventually warg.



What if Bloodraven is the 3rd dragon? He's a targ, can warg, who says he doesn't warg the dragon before he dies and then maybe Bran wargs after him.


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Jon, Drogon and Ghost

It is three heads of the "dragon," singular, rather than dragons. Varamyr had five animals giving him the nickname, Sixskins, and Jon if he wargs a dragon would have three heads.

Drogon is the most powerful dragon, bar none. Currently, Dany rides him. Certainly if Jon is THE dragon we'd think he would ride Drogon. This could lend to the possibility that Dany will be Jon's Nissa Nissa, he kills her and takes Drogon, but then, what happens to the other two. I think if the other two dragons are a red herring, only to be stolen by 1) Euron or 2) warged by Bran/Bloodraven, it would make for an excellent twist. Let's remember, Dany is so much of a shoe in to be one of the dragons, but what if she simpy is just "the mother of dragons?"

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now you may be thinking, where does daenerys fall in all this? while daenerys is a targaryen, aegon was a backup plan to unite the three. if one targ failed, the other still has a chance.


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there's a brightfyre theory floating around on here... that illyrio was a blackfyre, serra (descended from brightflame, and, female, since illyrio specifically said they're deceased on the male line), and their son is Aegon, who unites the two lineages. i love the theory


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@Fireeater is it a requirement that one of you super posters to be the first post on a thread you don't entirely agree with? I kinda went out of my way to write an extensive OP for the very sake of avoiding that, I understand the connections of three made with Jon and don't passionately disagree with any of them ( and think they're all good ways of better analyzing and understanding Jon) and as I said In this very OP that while I don't disagree with that thread premise, I'm not entirely certain that negates the possibility of there still being three individuals that represent the three heads.



Theres NOthing about the nature of either of these ideas that require the other idea to be untrue. So yet again I ask, why the compulsive need to plug your own threads as the first comment in a different one? Because if you'd actually carefully read the OP you'd understand it's position on that very type of theory, and would appreciate the concept I'm not trying to invalidate it, and that the discussion is geared towards the possibility/reasoning of it being 3 individuals and who they may be.



For this reason I won't specifically address that threads ideas, having said that: "it is the three heads of the "dragon" singular." Did I write "Dragons" in the title and just not notice it? Because otherwise I clearly understand its "dragon" and your not breaking new "it was under your nose all along" ground with me, I understand its dragon, I understand the sigil is one three headed dragon, and clearly I don't think its enough to discount the idea of three different individuals representing them. Yet again the two theories aren't mutually exclusive. And you don't have all the answers after 5 books.


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@Fireeater is it a requirement that one of you super posters to be the first post on a thread you don't entirely agree with?

Am I not entitled to my opinion? Is there a rule that says we can only post on threads we agree with? I thought that was what this forum is for, the debating as well as expressing of ideas regarding ASOIAF. Try not to get so offended if people disagree. Whenever you post a theory on this forum there will inevitably be posters who disagree. That is a fact of life both inside and outside this forum.

The subject is who the three heads are, and I simply presented my theory that the heads doesn't refer to three people, but one person and two animals, with a thread to provide a more in-depth interpretation for convenience. I don't recall anywhere saying that you tried to invalidate the theory I support. Are you saying its okay for you to post your interpretation/ideas for three heads, but not for me to post mine? In any hopes of having a meaningful discussion where we debate ideas?

Also, the thread I provided wasn't mine, but Apple's.

And you don't have all the answers after 5 books.

Never claimed I did. Again, don't get offended if posters have different ideas.

The two theories point to different ideas of who the three heads are.

ETA: I'll take the term "super posters" as a compliment.

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Wait. So now Jon is...

The Prince That Was Promised

Azor Ahai Reborn

Lightbringer

The Future King of the North

The Future King of Westeros

And The Three Heads of the Dragon.

I love Apple Martini's posts but that's a lot to be!

My favorite idea is Targaryen, Blackfyre, and Brightflame or Targaryen/Baratheon/Snow.

Dany, Aegon, Varys

Dany, Gendry/Shireen, Jon

Dany, Aegon, Jon

Or it could be all "bastards"; Jon, Gendry, Tyrion(if you think A+J=T).

It could arguably be Dany in one also. Woman, khaleesi, mhysa.

I am leaning most towards Dany, Tyrion, and Jon though. Gut feeling based on the overarching themes and ideas in their narratives.

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Drogon is the most powerful dragon, bar none. Currently, Dany rides him. Certainly if Jon is THE dragon we'd think he would ride Drogon. This could lend to the possibility that Dany will be Jon's Nissa Nissa, he kills her and takes Drogon, but then, what happens to the other two. I think if the other two dragons are a red herring, only to be stolen by 1) Euron or 2) warged by Bran/Bloodraven, it would make for an excellent twist. Let's remember, Dany is so much of a shoe in to be one of the dragons, but what if she simpy is just "the mother of dragons?"

GRRM said every POV's story is their own story, I don't think any of the POVs will die to serve another plot purpose for another POV.

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I wouldn't say the "Jon is the 3 Heads" theory is widely accepted. I, for one, think it makes no sense.



In my opinion, the 3 heads are Rhaenys, Aegon and Jon, if Jon is Azor Ahai. If Dany is AA, then the 3 heads are Rhaegar, Viserys and herself


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Another possibility is that there are *two* missing branches of the Targaryen - descendants from both Blackfyre and Brightflame - so there are three branches of the dragon family (represented by Daenerys as true Targaryen, Aegon as probably Blackfyre, and perhaps a Brightflame as well - Varys maybe?) that will have to be *defeated* by whoever is later to sit on the Throne...


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@setmyhearafire I agree most with your last line in your comment, though its up in the air how Tyrion could get involved in the fight with the others.



@RedWeddingCake My stance is basically similar to yours in that I believe the other 2 "heads" will be to Jon what Aegon's sisters were to him; as they were essential to helping him conquer westeros these two people will be to helping Jon save it.

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I will plug in my pet theory about Dany, Jon and Stannis. If Aegon or anyone else is acceptable through the problematic Blackfyre line, and that too through the female line, then Stannis from the legitimate female Targaryen line should come closer. moreover, he is at the right place at the right time. Even Aemon's only argument against him is that the sword is wrong. The sword may be wrong but the person may still be right.



If Jon Snow is seen as Lightbringer then Stannis may even be Azor Ahai, and Melisandre is perfectly set up to play a Nissa Nissa role (she is warm on her own, and has been trying to bring Lightbringer forth since the start).


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