Queer mention about Yohn Royce

[sanzor]

In Sansa's hand tourney chapter in AGoT we are presented with challengers starting from Jaime Lannister,Gregor Clegane...and Yohn Royce:

"His armor is bronze,thousands and thousands of years old,engraved with magic runes that ward him against harm".

Pretty queer those runes i'd say...and the mention of bronze tied to his name....

[Archmaester_Aemma]

I can't remember who or whereabouts on here I saw it, but someone else has mentioned that there are indications of the Royce family playing more of a role in the series than one might anticipate.

The Royce family are the first noble family we meet beyond the Wall, in the form of Ser Waymar in the prologue of AGoT, also the first mention of the Others. Then there's the armour, as you point out. And we have their arms, iron studs on bronze with runes (pretty Northern). Their motto is "We remember" (a possible parallel of the North remembers?).

There may be something in it, but I'm not sure how much (pretty close to crackpot though, I'd imagine).

[sanzor]

If someone came up with a theory i'd be so happy to read it .By the way nice parallel ;prologue+Royce words !

[Queen Sansa Stark]

I like to think that "We Remember" is a sly hint that he may be part of the North vengeance.

[Archmaester_Aemma]

It's not a theory, as such, just a thread I saw, and which I have found again, for your pleasure - only 8 replies.

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/103677-why-royce/?hl=%2Bwaymar+%2Broyce

I think the problem that was mentioned in there is that we just don't know enough about them, making it pretty difficult to come up with a coherent and plausible theory.

[Queen Sansa Stark]

He would be a good regent for sweetrobin

[Archmaester_Aemma]

Probably, but I like Petyr too much to deprive him of his Vale connivances haha :D

[Queen Sansa Stark]

Probably, but I like Petyr too much to deprive him of his Vale connivances haha :D

Sorry, dude, but Littlefinger is going down epically. Especially since he laid out his plan in detail.

[Archmaester_Aemma]

Alas, I feared it would be so and I shall miss his wit. However, I shall bravely accept whatever GRRM metes out because, if I got what I wanted, the books would be utter shite and I wouldn't inflict that on anyone :lol:

Going back to the Royces, they intermarried with the Starks a few generations ago, which may or may not be relevant to the North-in-the-Vale thing.

[Queen Sansa Stark]

I definitely think it will be relevant. Given that Bronze Yohn wanted to join Robb and still wants to fight right now even though winter has come it wouldn't surprise me at all if they ally themselves with the remaining Starks or perhaps Stannis. They seem to have great deal of respect for the Starks and the cause of the Night's watch. Maybe they might even fight against the others.

[Archmaester_Aemma]

Wasn't there a vision of somebody armoured in bronze at one point?

[Queen Sansa Stark]

Wasn't there a vision of somebody armoured in bronze at one point?

You mean in Bran's vision. I am not so sure. And crackpot theorizing time; what if the runes of the armour is meant to protect a Royce against the Others?

[Archmaester_Aemma]

I'm not sure... I could be well be entirely wrong, and that there was no such vision, idk...

Well, we know the Royces are an old family, descendants of the First Men. We know the cache of obsidian weapons at the base of the Fist had a horn covered in funky runes, ( and possibly the fist itself is? I can't recall the details and can't search for them atm.) Sansa mentions the armour is thousands of years old, akin to saying the first Long Night (e.g. creation of the NW and Dawn [if you fall into the D=LB theory]). Bronze itself seems to have religious significance to the old gods, as they sacrificed with bronze knives - possibly stemming from their effectiveness against the Others? Could be...

Also, bronze and iron engraved with runes of the First Men for KiNorth's crown. Don't know if that's relevant to much beyond Royce northernness.

[Nettles]

When Rob told Catelyn he needed to name an heir she responded: "Your father's father had no siblings, but his father had a sister who married a younger son of Lord Raymar Royce, of the junior branch. They had three daughters, all of whom wed Vale lordlings. A Waynwood and a Corbray, for certain. The youngest...it might have been a Templeton, but..." and here Rob interrupted her.

If there is a potential heir to Winterfell in the Vale, what does Petyr Baelish make of it? And what is he going to do?

Edit: spelling

[Archmaester_Aemma]

Very little I imagine - he has a very healthy Sansa under his thumb, and she has a far better claim than the great-grandchildren of her great-great-aunt.

[Leonardo]

It's fact the Royce's are going to play a part; they are the strongest of the Vale's bannermen and wanted to join the war forever, Lysa says he wants to go to war even after Robb has already died when she's talking to Baelish after Joff has been offed.

There are also a number of First Men houses that have yet to come on the seen, and likely will support the North based on those ties as well as being on the side of the Royce's it seems:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/104697-house-redfort-background-or-minor-players/?hl=%2Bhouse+%2Bredfort

To save you time

House Redfort holds to the Old Gods and their First Men blood, also:

1 - Kevan Lannister considers Horton Redfort to be a dangerous man, but he's also apparently too feeble to climb the hill at the Eyrie so is brought up in a basket. (ASOS)

2 - Mychel Redfort is apparently one of the best swordsmen in the Vale

3 - Squired Bolton's trueborn son Domeric and apparently grew to be close

These are some odd notes I thought, especially the first and third, while the second is just background info and giving us hints as to a possible good combatant later on. They have a marriage alliance with the Royce's to boot. The Belmore's and Templetons(probably related to Starks as Cat says) also threw in with those wanting to support Robb Stark. It is said Templeton's can easily raise a thousand men and Royce is one of the strongest houses in the Vale - just extra notes

So yeah, the Royces are going to be main players in LF's and therefore the Vale's plans in future, and I think the Redforts will make an appearance.

[Swordofthemornin]

The Vale definately has a bigger role to play, think that they will feature alot more in TWOW and you will see them going to war one way or the other.

[holby2]

It's fact the Royce's are going to play a part; they are the strongest of the Vale's bannermen and wanted to join the war forever, Lysa says he wants to go to war even after Robb has already died when she's talking to Baelish after Joff has been offed.

There are also a number of First Men houses that have yet to come on the seen, and likely will support the North based on those ties as well as being on the side of the Royce's it seems:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/104697-house-redfort-background-or-minor-players/?hl=%2Bhouse+%2Bredfort

To save you time

House Redfort holds to the Old Gods and their First Men blood, also:

1 - Kevan Lannister considers Horton Redfort to be a dangerous man, but he's also apparently too feeble to climb the hill at the Eyrie so is brought up in a basket. (ASOS)

2 - Mychel Redfort is apparently one of the best swordsmen in the Vale

3 - Squired Bolton's trueborn son Domeric and apparently grew to be close

These are some odd notes I thought, especially the first and third, while the second is just background info and giving us hints as to a possible good combatant later on. They have a marriage alliance with the Royce's to boot. The Belmore's and Templetons(probably related to Starks as Cat says) also threw in with those wanting to support Robb Stark. It is said Templeton's can easily raise a thousand men and Royce is one of the strongest houses in the Vale - just extra notes

So yeah, the Royces are going to be main players in LF's and therefore the Vale's plans in future, and I think the Redforts will make an appearance.

ANNNND...If Bolton is aware that Ramsay killed Domeric, it would make sense that the Redforts would also know and would be willing to move against the Boltons!

[Russellstiltskin]

Well, LF is definitely going to have to fend off enemies by martial means sooner or later, it would seem. Now, if he is still in the Vale (which makes some sense given there location and the weather, but it could also be said that these factors could cause them to move sooner, after all, they had to abandon the main stronghold - Eyrie) when this happens, it makes quite a bit of sense that Bronze Yohn would be involved. IIRC, he unhorsed several of the most noteworthy fighters in tourneys and is fierce and fearless actual battle, and, again IIRC he specifically tells LF that he doesn't have him fooled near the end of the "Lords Declarant" farce...

And those runes...Either the Old Tongue or Valyrian, it would seem. We hear of these runes from time to time, usually on warhorns or other ancient battle accoutrements. If you take that for granted and consider their words "We Remember" (not sure if there are theories about these words, it doesn't seem that I remember any blood feuds of an epic variety that would cause them to change their House Words, though I'm a noob and could be wrong) to be literal, as in "We Remember the Long Night because we were told that it would be thousands of years again before the White Walkers come again and that their very existence would be mocked, and ours was the family chosen to remember" perhaps they are waiting for a signal of some kind to engage in supporting the NW, and by extension, the North and the rest of the realm.

I'm tired, and have only just now read the books a first time, so this could be crackpot for sure, but if Sansa is considered the Key to the North by TPTB down South, and it's puzzled out (or let out) that Sansa is in the Vale, perhaps there will be an attempt to rescue/extract her. Depending on who finds out about Sansa, this could mean the Royce's spearheading the assault, helping it, or defending against it (or maybe all three.)

But I gotta say I feel like Bronze Yohn will def be stepping into a more central role, or at least a major scene. He is mentioned as much or more as the other periphery characters, and the more you read of the Song and watch of the show (and learn in general, thanks to this forum) you realize that there are NO wasted or insignificant words in the Song. Everything is meaningful, no matter how benign or subtle, you just have to look at it the right way, read between the lines, open up your Third Eye!

I also have something niggling at me about Mya Stone. It seems she has a part to play, if there is to be intrigue in the Vale. She is just the right person to assist in the "impregnation" of the "unimpregnable" Eyrie and its' way-castles...She is also one of Robert's bastards (can't recall if she knows, but she probably doesn't) and that could play a part in her agreeing to help someone or even taking it upon herself. Lyn Corbray and his squire will certainly be incorporated here; it may be through them that Sansa's whereabouts are discerned. Anyway, I should read and research, but any thoughts?

[sanzor]

I feel like Royce is an old bear hibernating..or waiting...I too hope that he will get involved..since it was said that he urged Lysa to call the bannermen and help Robb.I always thought the Vale is somehow depending on the Royce and especially Bronze Yohn...and i like that he values morality and gues rights and i think he is an honest man...From the lords declarant only him and lady Waynwood seemed reasonable people.. that could help Sansa in the near future..not for profits or personal gains but for justice.