The Mystery of the Pink Letter Video

[Skinchanging Sweetrobin]

So, I put together this little video about who I think wrote the Pink Letter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcuRwod0Xg&feature=youtu.be

This is the first video I've ever made, so the quality isn't great, but I think everyone will get a kick out of it.

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua_z25Hr2fU

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N-vnxEk9As

[King Benjen II]

I enjoyed the video :)

[Metopheles]

I demand part II :D

good job! Never noticed the wildling themes.

[Winterfell's Crypt]

I enjoyed the video a lot. Nice job!

[jcaudle10]

I too enjoyed it. Nice work! When is part 2?

[Tyryan Lannister]

I too enjoyed it. Nice work! When is part 2?

Seconded. I want part 2 now. Damn cliffhangers....

[King Benjen II]

I want Part 3 dammit!

If you dont like cliffhangers youll hate the ending of Part 2 :P

[Faceless Man Friday]

Very good. When will part II be posted?

[J. Stargaryen]

So, I put together this little video about who I think wrote the Pink Letter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcuRwod0Xg&feature=youtu.be

This is the first video I've ever made, so the quality isn't great, but I think everyone will get a kick out of it.

Nice job. Very entertaining. Keep up the good work. :cheers:

[Khal Shaggydog]

Well done. Good commentary - and you make a convincing case. Which district have you been a prosecutor in?

[TheCrannogDweller]

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1. Ramsay shouldn't be using pink wax, because he is lord of Winterfell.

The type of wax used depends on the House, rather than on the castle it was sent from. In other words, Ramsay uses pink wax because he is a Bolton, not a Stark.

2. There is no skin attached

There isn't skin attached to Ramsay's first letter to Jon either.

3. It isn't written in Ramsay's hand

That's not completely true - just because Jon doesn't mention the handwriting, doesn't mean that it isn't Ramsay's. In fact, this can be used as a counter-argument - the fact that Jon doesn't remark on the handwriting means that he recognizes it.

4. The wrong torture - seriously?

For one thing, just because he mentions beheading, doesn't mean that he hasn't flayed them before that.

5. Why would Ramsay specifically mention the spearwives if thousands of people died in the battle

Because the battle didn't happen at Winterfell, while the spearwives were caught red-handed trying to steal his bride.

The last time we saw Mance, he was singing a song for Roose and Ramsay in the main hall of Winterfell, moments before the spearwives and Theon tried to get Jeyne out - and they were caught in the act. I doubt that was part of Mance's plan.

Edit: If you're looking for further reading, I recommend this thread.

[Skinchanging Sweetrobin]

Very good. When will part II be posted?

Thanks everyone! I think I might have part II done as early as tomorrow.

[Firiel Hiren]

I loved it! Especially your sexy Melisandre voice... lol. :)

[roxWolfox]

So, I put together this little video about who I think wrote the Pink Letter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcuRwod0Xg&feature=youtu.be

This is the first video I've ever made, so the quality isn't great, but I think everyone will get a kick out of it.

I truly enjoyed the art in the video. :D

As for the facts compiled, I agreed with most, but without my book here I cannot gather the quotes to discredit at least one thing. I don't recall the handwriting style being mentioned in the pink letter.

I was convinced Mance wrote the letter after reading another theory last year, so I watched the video out of curiousity rather than a need to be further convinced.

And now my husband (who hasn't read book 5) eagerly awaits a continuation of the video theory! xD

1. Ramsay shouldn't be using pink wax, because he is lord of Winterfell.

The type of wax used depends on the House, rather than on the castle it was sent from. In other words, Ramsay uses pink wax because he is a Bolton, not a Stark.

2. There is no skin attached

There isn't skin attached to Ramsay's first letter to Jon either.

3. It isn't written in Ramsay's hand

That's not completely true - just because Jon doesn't mention the handwriting, doesn't mean that it isn't Ramsay's. In fact, this can be used as a counter-argument - the fact that Jon doesn't remark on the handwriting means that he recognizes it.

4. The wrong torture - seriously?

For one thing, just because he mentions beheading, doesn't mean that he hasn't flayed them before that.

5. Why would Ramsay specifically mention the spearwives if thousands of people died in the battle

Because the battle didn't happen at Winterfell, while the spearwives were caught red-handed trying to steal his bride.

The last time we saw Mance, he was singing a song for Roose and Ramsay in the main hall of Winterfell, moments before the spearwives and Theon tried to get Jeyne out - and they were caught in the act. I doubt that was part of Mance's plan.

Edit: If you're looking for further reading, I recommend this thread.

Again, I don't have my book here, but I thought Roose was Lord of Winterfell? Correct me if I'm wrong, as my memory is getting a tad rusty. hmmm. Or is Roose merely Warden of the North? Sheesh. I might need to buy another copy. :P

The most damning thing about Ramsay being the author is the smear of pink wax, rather than previously mentioned button of pink wax. It seemed as if someone saved the pink wax from a previous letter and reused it.

'The wrong torture' statement had me thinking of the two boys bodies in place of Brandon and Rickon's supposed bodies...they were left whole (burnt, but whole) and the ironborn bodies left hanging and flayed at Moat Cailin (sp?). Mind you, that was all Ramsay's doing, not Roose's. Were Roose alive, would he use head on spikes as a warning to others?

The one thing that really stood out in the letter for me? Crow. No other group of people on the Wall or south of the wall call the Night's Watch members Crows that I recall at the moment. Only the wildlings use that term. Everyone south of the Wall call them Black Brothers or Night's Watch.

Anyways CrannogDweller, even though I made up my mind a long time ago concerning the authorship of the PL, I will read the link you supplied just because I do so enjoy a good, well thought out discussion on the matter. :)

[TheCrannogDweller]

Again, I don't have my book here, but I thought Roose was Lord of Winterfell? Correct me if I'm wrong, as my memory is getting a tad rusty. hmmm. Or is Roose merely Warden of the North?

Roose is Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, but that has nothing to do with the wax he uses to seal his official letters. The wax (and the seal) are House-dependent - so no matter his position, Roose would always seal his letters with pink wax, in the same way that Ned and Robb would seal them with grey wax.

Edit: Also, the use of the derogatory term "crow", while suspect, does not prove wildling involvement. IMHO, it is far easier to explain it by Ramsay being pissed-off and mean to Jon (whom the newly-acknowledged Trueborn Bolton would perceive as being beneath him).

[aDanceWithFlagons]

Actually, Ramsay is the Lord of Winterfell. If Ramsay really wanted to aggravate Jon, he would of used grey wax to drive the point home. Or so it seems to me.

[Lord Stokeworth]

I liked the video, it was well done and entertaining.

Just two things

1. IIRC although the Boltons (Ramsay in particular) still practice flaying, it is outlawed. He would flay his enemies in private and keep the skins hidden but they would still go for the traditional (?) beheading as a show of force

2. Mance Rayder is mentioned as a threat to the realm since the first chapter of the first book. I assume his "execution" did have weight in the North and Stannis did it publicly so that the North would know it was him who defeated the King-Beyond-The-Wall. So it makes sense that they would mention it in the letter IMO

[Skinchanging Sweetrobin]

Roose is Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, but that has nothing to do with the wax he uses to seal his official letters. The wax (and the seal) are House-dependent - so no matter his position, Roose would always seal his letters with pink wax, in the same way that Ned and Robb would seal them with grey wax.

Edit: Also, the use of the derogatory term "crow", while suspect, does not prove wildling involvement. IMHO, it is far easier to explain it by Ramsay being pissed-off and mean to Jon (whom the newly-acknowledged Trueborn Bolton would perceive as being beneath him).

The text says the wax is location dependent. As sited in the video: "Only the Dreadfort uses pink sealing wax."

This really is logical as maesters are location dependent and ravens are location dependent.

Not to mention, Houses can hold more than one location (i.e. Lannisport and Casterly Rock).

The stamp would then be House dependent.

And I think I explained pretty well that the letter isn't the function of anger. It's calculated. Not to mention, the letter claims to be written 13 days after fArya's escape. Plenty of time to calm down. Plus, it's not the term "crow" that is derogatory - to a wildling, it's the term "black." People in the Seven Kingdoms use "crow" and "black brother," but they never use "black crow."

[Skinchanging Sweetrobin]

I liked the video, it was well done and entertaining.

Just two things

1. IIRC although the Boltons (Ramsay in particular) still practice flaying, it is outlawed. He would flay his enemies in private and keep the skins hidden but they would still go for the traditional (?) beheading as a show of force

2. Mance Rayder is mentioned as a threat to the realm since the first chapter of the first book. I assume his "execution" did have weight in the North and Stannis did it publicly so that the North would know it was him who defeated the King-Beyond-The-Wall. So it makes sense that they would mention it in the letter IMO

1) You are correct that the practice is outlawed, but that didn't stop them at Moat Calin. Also, according to the letter, Mance is in a cage with skin cloaks for everyone to see.

2) Stannis is supposedly dead. Why discredit a dead enemy?

[TheCrannogDweller]

The text says the wax is location dependent. As sited in the video: "Only the Dreadfort uses pink sealing wax."

You're conveniently forgetting the fact that both of Ramsay's earlier letters (those to Asha and Jon) were also sealed with pink wax - and he claimed different lordship in each of them.

In the letter to Jon he signed himself Ramsay Bolton, Lord of Hornwood.

In the letter to Asha he signed himself Ramsay Bolton, Lord of Winterfell.

The fact that both letters were signed in the same name and sealed with the same wax proves that the colour of the wax is House-dependent, not Lordship-dependent.

Edit: In other words, "the Dreadfort" in the example you've given is simply a synonym for "the Boltons".