phantomg Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 In this episode, Ramsay told Roose Bolton about the Stark boys. I did read all the books but I don't quite remember if both of them are supposed to have this information at this time. Is it ok? I mean, with all the White Harbor conspiracy thing with Davos, aren't they the only ones to know about Bran and RIckon (besides Sam) because the mute boy told them?Or I misread something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bronn Stokeworth Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I assumed the Boltons' and selected men knew. Why would Ramsay keep it a secret? He needs them dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar I Targaryen Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Anyone else notice that Roose's map appeared to be made of... skin? :ack: Look for it the next time you watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDMNDBAMMD Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Book wise Ramsay is Reek #2 at Winterfell and is the one that kills the millars sons, flays them, burns their bodies and brings Bran direwolf silver pendant in his bag. His back up plan the whole time was to "fake kill" them if they couldn't be found. Which Theon and Ramsay do. Show wise Dagmer is the one that gives Theon the idea. Ramsay learned later through "tricking" Theon into his reveal about the Starks when he "rescues" him. Book wise Roose Bolton does know that Bran and Rickon are really alive. Ramsay sends people looking for them(Bran meets someone heading north to the wall that mentions flawed men were looking for him). Roose points out that Bran/Rickon could resurface and Ramsay says "and I'll kill them again" to which Roose points out that Theon killed them, not him. so yeah, Roose and Ramsay know about Bran and Rickon being alive. I wouldn't call it "at this point" because Roose and Ramsay don't meet face to face before Moat Cailin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I assumed the Boltons' and selected men knew. Why would Ramsay keep it a secret? He needs them dead. Because his father would be very displeased that they escaped at all. That's what I get from the books, at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Tyrion Lannister! Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I figured only the Bolton's and the Manderly's knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The mountain clans also know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I didn't think Book!Ramsay told his dad because he didn't want to risk his displeasure (it was Roosey's idea to have FAyra, wasn't it?). But I guess the show runners thought it would be inconsistent for him not to mention that to Roose, especially since Show!Ramsay took no part in killing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 B Roose points out that Bran/Rickon could resurface and Ramsay says "and I'll kill them again" to which Roose points out that Theon killed them, not him. so yeah, Roose and Ramsay know about Bran and Rickon being alive. A lot of people seem to be forgetting this scene from the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram McDrogon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Anyone else notice that Roose's map appeared to be made of... skin? To be fair, parchment IS made of skin. That's what they mostly used in the Middle Ages before paper came along. Not too sure when the change occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Shaggydog Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The disturbing thing is the Bolton skin is human, and not animal like most other "civilized" people. But yea, the timing and location is way way off from the books, but the ep was written by GRRM so it doesnt seem too much overall is off here. They are directly looking to kill Jon, which could incidentally explain a little more about the Pink Letter, but in the books Ramsay was searching for Bran and Rickon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteFang Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 While the Dreadfort is being discussed... Did anyone notice during the shaving scene that Reek has all of his fingers?There's a close up of his right hand, with all digits present. Did Ramsay not flay the pinkie of his right hand last season? Looks to be a continuity error.Its disappointing, normally the show is very consistent with details like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I don't think it makes that much of a difference either way, actually it could prove to be a good plot twist. It portrayed that the Starks are still very much a threat for the Boltons (keeping the unsullied rooting for the rightful rulers of the North)and showed Roose to be the treacherous git that he is- wanting the boys hunted down and killed. Also, Ramsay seeing Jon as a threat sets things up well for the pink letter. I'm looking forward to seeing if Locke and Jon interact and how Jon will react, perhaps building up tension for his decision to take on the Boltons later. Locke is probably the type that will rub Robb's death in his face and the Boltons being the new wardens if they do meet....do you think Locke is just sent to CB to find Bran and Rickon or possibly try to kill Jon too? That would be a deviation from the books but it could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 While the Dreadfort is being discussed... Did anyone notice during the shaving scene that Reek has all of his fingers? There's a close up of his right hand, with all digits present. Did Ramsay not flay the pinkie of his right hand last season? Looks to be a continuity error. Its disappointing, normally the show is very consistent with details like that. Damn, thats a big error and one that really should have been picked up. Thats like Davos having fingers. He is limping thought. Maybe he lost a few toes aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar I Targaryen Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yea I liked the limp I think Alfie did an awesome job portraying Reek in that scene, it was very haunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteFang Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The limp gives me hope that he's missing some toes.It could have something to do with the bolt that was screwed into his ankle last season though. The bit about the fingers irks me- show Reek will still be able to use a bow.His body isn't mutilated enough. Alfie is killing the role though. Reek appears completely broken. Theon discussions are always messed up, can't believe I'm typing this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Hand of the King Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I loved the scene with Reek, Ramsay and Roose, but I really just wonder what this will mean for future plotlines. They are literally going into ADWD territory and meanwhile every other storyline is in ASOS. I realize Theon is missing from books 3 and 4 and they didn't want to just exclude him from the show for that long, but still. Are they just going to make up storylines for him in the future, or just really drag his currently storyline out? It's not like he can be a Winterfell for quite awhile in the show right? A lot of questions, but I really love the portrayals of these 3 characters. The guy who plays Roose is fucking awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikard Stark Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Anyone else notice that Roose's map appeared to be made of... skin? :ack: Look for it the next time you watch it. Yep just rewatched it, looks very human ish.... i feel slightly sickend but at the same time: 'damn those Boltons are badass' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasporio Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Roose's impersonator is great, but he looks alot... empathetic.WTF with Ramsay's gf? Will the fake Arya will ever appear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I'm glad they gave this storyline a good chunk of screentime. It really summoned up the appropriate dread that you get reading those chapters of ADWD. They showed the terror that Reek has to live with and also the really fucked up father-bastard dynamic which many of us Bolton fans love so much. I love how Roose walks into that deranged atmosphere and seems completely above it though he's really very much a part of it. Roose arrives and he isn't taken back; he's unimpressed. Just great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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