MikeMartell Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I understand wanted to assassinate Joffery, but why agree to frame the best of the Lannisters? Potentially the best Lannister ally to the Tyrells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 I understand wanted to assassinate Joffery, but why agree to frame the best of the Lannisters? Potentially the best Lannister ally to the Tyrells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 So Sansa would be freed up to marry Wyllas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Because it was believable. Who else would they frame? I guess Dorne would be plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I understand wanted to assassinate Joffery, but why agree to frame the best of the Lannisters? Potentially the best Lannister ally to the Tyrells. Tyrion wasn't the Lannister and they needed a scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 So Sansa would be freed up to marry Wyllas.:agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Also they knew they could get a rise out of Tyrion with the dwarf-jousting. Even if blaming it on Dorne would have been believable, how would they have made sure Oberyn was close enough to Joff to be suspicious. He's a complete wildcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING-OF-WINTERFELL Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Convenient scapegoat, I don't think they have a lot of choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 He's just a cunning Imp with a strained relationship to Joffrey. He was on a silver platter really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danelle Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I understand wanted to assassinate Joffery, but why agree to frame the best of the Lannisters? Potentially the best Lannister ally to the Tyrells. There is no such thing as a Lannister ally. There are people, that for a brief period of time, seem to have the same cause as the Lannisters. Exactly because Tyrion was the best, cunning, and clever, and obviously had issues with his family, apart from Jaime, he is the ideal victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Duelist Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 If Tyrion is executed, Sansa is a widow, and can then be married off to Willas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs_Darcy Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think it was a mixture of three different factors: -only if Tyrion were to be executed or sent to the Wall, Sansa would be free to marry Willas and they could use her claim to the North.-Tyrion was a likely suspect, since he had repeatedly threatened Joffrey in public before the Purple Wedding and he had no powerful friends at court thus making him an easy victim-LF had many reasons to kill him, since he knew about his lie about the dagger, might have gotten some incriminating information about him at the Eyrie from mentally unstable Lysa Arryn, was the Master of Coin and therefore the one most likely to expose his embezzling and was one of the better players in KL.To top it all, Tyrion through his marriage to Sansa threatened to ruin all his plans about Sansa, so this was another reason to blame him for Joffrey' assassination. ETA: I think, that Littlefinger already suggested Tyrion as a possible scapegoat, when he was still negotiating with Olenna Tyrell at Bitterbridge, but his marriage to Sansa (and his ascension to Master of Coin) probably sealed the deal for both parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natmus Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wait a minute. Read the chapter again (might take more than a minute, I know. Sorry). Joffrey was not the target of the poison, but happened by accident (or perhaps Melisandre's magic) to eat the poisoned pie intended for Tyrion. When you re-read the the chapter, figure out the plan behind if you assume that Joffrey was the target and everything went as planned. Absurdly overly complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wait a minute. Read the chapter again (might take more than a minute, I know. Sorry). Joffrey was not the target of the poison, but happened by accident (or perhaps Melisandre's magic) to eat the poisoned pie intended for Tyrion. When you re-read the the chapter, figure out the plan behind if you assume that Joffrey was the target and everything went as planned. Absurdly overly complicated. That is completely ridiculous. Even if GRRm hadn't already talked about the poisoned wine it would still be ridiculous. People on these forums try to see things waay more complicated than they have to be. Baelish and Olenna poisoned Joffrey, its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natmus Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 That is completely ridiculous. Even if GRRm hadn't already talked about the poisoned wine it would still be ridiculous. People on these forums try to see things waay more complicated than they have to be. Baelish and Olenna poisoned Joffrey, its that simple. Fine, as you wish. I just go by what's written in the books. Do you care to explain how they planned the poisoning, including the moving parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obebb Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Fine, as you wish. I just go by what's written in the books. Do you care to explain how they planned the poisoning, including the moving parts? Well there is all that stuff with Sansa's hairnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovis alba Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I'm not even sure he was intentionally framed, he just happened to be the first one everyone (or at least Cersei) suspected, so why not jump on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Fine, as you wish. I just go by what's written in the books. Do you care to explain how they planned the poisoning, including the moving parts? Olenna takes an "amethyst" from Sansa's hairnet when she touches it to admire it, then she or some other Tyrell conveniently drops it in the chalice, after which only Joff drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Fine, as you wish. I just go by what's written in the books. Do you care to explain how they planned the poisoning, including the moving parts? A leech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndance Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Fine, as you wish. I just go by what's written in the books. Do you care to explain how they planned the poisoning, including the moving parts? And this is how crackpot's start. It was planned by LF and lady Olenna. LF gives Dontos the hairnet that he insists Sansa wear to the wedding. Olenna pretends to fix it for her at one point, and she removes one of the small jewels which contains the poison. Olenna discretely drops it into Joffrey's cup, which he drinks out of and thus is killed. Simple as this, and quite obvious imo. Tyrion was never targeted to be the one that gets blamed. Because Joffrey was being such a prick to him, he was filling up Joffrey's cup, and in Joffrey's last few seconds of life he points to him, essentially calling him out to be the one that did it, logically it makes sense he is blamed. For Tyrion, it was just really unfortunate that it played out this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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