Mr. Kraken Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 House Baratheon of Storm's End is practically extinct. Renly is dead, Robert is dead. Stannis is at the Wall and he is Lord of Dragonstone.House Baratheon of King's Landing (who are not Baratheons) is on its way to extinction as well. According to Maggy the Frog, Cersei would see her children crowned and killed. Joffrey is dead. Myrcella and Tommen are next. The fate of House Baratheon lies with Stannis, who has no heir - save for Shireen, but she's a girl. Were she to marry someone from another house, she would have to take her husband's name. If Stannis dies (what I think will happen, unfortunately), then, there's no more House Baratheon. What are the solutions for the stags of Storm's End? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylva Santagar Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 What are the solutions for the stags of Storm's End? go down... they had their chance and blew it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime FTW Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 i really hope so! Stannis should legitimize Edric Storm,because it's the only way Baratheons can survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 No, only Stan-the-Man and Shireen left. I don't think Stan will have more children, and Shireen have greyscales (and is a girl). House Baratheon will go extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 House Baratheon of Storm's End is practically extinct. Renly is dead, Robert is dead. Stannis is at the Wall and he is Lord of Dragonstone. House Baratheon of King's Landing (who are not Baratheons) is on its way to extinction as well. According to Maggy the Frog, Cersei would see her children crowned and killed. Joffrey is dead. Myrcella and Tommen are next. The fate of House Baratheon lies with Stannis, who has no heir - save for Shireen, but she's a girl. Were she to marry someone from another house, she would have to take her husband's name. If Stannis dies (what I think will happen, unfortunately), then, there's no more House Baratheon. What are the solutions for the stags of Storm's End? Shireen would have to do nothing of the sort. She's the heir, she has the power, she can do what she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secto Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yes but it's name will fade. If Shireen had 3 sons. The first would be crownprince the second would be lord of storms end the last one would get dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 No, only Stan-the-Man and Shireen left. I don't think Stan will have more children, and Shireen have greyscales (and is a girl). House Baratheon will go extinct. What does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Well Robert did what 17 illegitmate children...at least four of which have been removed by Cersei (the twins in Lannisport and 2 others in KL)...the eldest of Robert's get are still on the board Gendry, Mya, Bella of the Peach and Edric, all are quite favourably endowed with Baratheon features....Edric has the support of those at Stormsend so therefore is not without allies....Mya, Bella and Gendry are born of commoners so therefore need champions to push any claim they might make....In the end we don't know what the Baratheon family tree looks like and whether there are brothers of Steffon and the progeny of them that might push a claim to the seat....So in conclusion it is premature to ask the question "Will House Baratheon Survive?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Mya, Bella and Gendry are born of commoners so therefore need champions to push any claim they might make.... Mya Bella and Gendry need someone to know who their father was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secto Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 But Stannis would never legitimate one Bastard. If he did e.g. Edric Storm would get the throne wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 What does it matter? Well, she'd need to marry below her status or to 7th son or something like that to get a matrilineal marriage. The other proud houses wouldn't easily agree to a marriage where the children have their mother's name. She migh need an alliance with a Great House and thus agree to a marriage with an heir, and in that case the children will definitely get their father's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Certainly the Great House with the worse out of surviving is House Baratheon. Stannis can't win, and since he is not going to bend, he'll die. Shireen is not likely to survice, and if she does, the greyscale will complicate looking for suitable matches for her. And Edric Storm doesn't have supports. His mother's family, the Florents, have been exiled from the Reach and are going down with Stannis. It's also the "youngest" of the Great Houses, so its disappearance wouldn't be that "huge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luddagain Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Stannis cared NOTHING for birth and values ability ahead of birth. That is why he promotes Davos. If he legitimized Edrik he would legitimize ALL the bastards. Now he and Varys are the two who KNOW of Gendry. If Shireen dies I believe Stannis would legitimize Gendry and make him heir to Storms end. Indeed I am going to post an idea on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Mya Bella and Gendry need someone to know who their father was. Well as far as Gendry goes the interest shown in him by John Arryn and Ned Stark should go a long way to his realization that he is Robert's son...Then again we are talkng Baratheons here and mental acuity is not one of their great qualities.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 go down... they had their chance and blew it... By the gods , how I love the Baratheons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Well as far as Gendry goes the interest shown in him by John Arryn and Ned Stark should go a long way to his realization that he is Robert's son...Then again we are talkng Baratheons here and mental acuity is not one of their great qualities.... No offence but this is kinda, very, silly. Well, she'd need to marry below her status or to 7th son or something like that to get a matrilineal marriage. The other proud houses wouldn't easily agree to a marriage where the children have their mother's name. She migh need an alliance with a Great House and thus agree to a marriage with an heir, and in that case the children will definitely get their father's name. I disagree. Shireen could marry one of her bannermen and she could had passed her name like Anya did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Only if they legitimize some bastard boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnief Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think its entirely possible that Stannis, (or someone else in authority when all this is done-Daenerys or King Jon) will legitimize one of Robert's bastards-probably Edric Storm thus saving the Baratheon line. I'm hoping that Shireen survives and maybe someday even marries-perhaps to Rickon, (who would care less about the greyscale and more about whether Shaggydog liked her smell,) or to Jon (if she could be healed of her scars-stranger things have happened in Westeros.) The latter match would fulfill Stannis's wishes that his daughter be Queen, it would reconcile the rift between Baratheon and Targaryen dynasties, and it would also finally be the blending of Stark/Baratheon bloodlines that the families wanted. And Jon is exactly what Stannis would want for a son-in-law anyway. Shireen may never be a great beauty but as ASOIAF makes clear looks can be a pretty negligible part in a marriage, and you do think Shireen would be a kind and gentle wife to Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 No offence but this is kinda, very, silly. I disagree. Shireen could marry one of her bannermen and she could had passed her name like Anya did. Two hands of King go out of their way to visit an armourer to and check out an apprentice...the first dies by poison (nothing really to do with the visit) the second beheaded the upshot being the apprentice is Robert's son and the supposed get from Cersei are in fact illegimate. Where is the silliness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Two hands of King go out of their way to visit an armourer to and check out an apprentice...the first dies by poison (nothing really to do with the visit) the second beheaded the upshot being the apprentice is Robert's son and the supposed get from Cersei are in fact illegimate. Where is the silliness? For all he knew he could be the son of anyone, Jon for example. Why exactly he had to think that he was Robert's son. How exactly he had to know what was going on to the palace? It's silly to believe that Gendry knew everything and after knewing everything wasn't able to connect the dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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