benalapin Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The gravedigger theory is nice and all that, but many (including me) often use it as a way of saying Sandor Clegane has a larger role to play later in the novel. But what if it isn't? What if the gravedigger was a sort of easter egg that perceptive readers and those who discuss things with perceptive readers (like me) can spot, whose purpose is to offer a resolution to the arcs of one of the most interesting non-POV characters in the novels? Do you think this is a good send off for him, or is it even likely that this is the last we'll see of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armidil0 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It's nice to think he'll have a bigger role, but I don't think there's enough page room anymore for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booknerd2 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I feel we will see him again. 1. This was "check in" with Sandor chapter time for the readers. Nice series mystery and cliffhanger. Just great writing. He made it. Stranger is there. He is ready to go when his master gets ready. 2. Nice to know one character breezed past him and might know where he is somehow and eventually if Brienne was ever given the literary tools we were given to Sherlock this one out. Brienne gets info that he was still talking about Sansa. Yes, still, and if he can't vent to Arya he did with EB and we find that out as readers. Everything has changed for him, yet nothing (Sansa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think it is the last we see of him. I hope it is at least. IF the gravedigger if Sandor, then it can be assumed that he has finally come to peace with his inner demons and has given up his life of violence and I would hate for him to have to revert back from that. Even if it was as the Faith's Champion or something, if he has traded his sword for a shovel, it should stay that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I hope not. I selfishly want to see more of him because he's one of my favorite characters, but if he truly is at peace on the Quiet Island and we never see him again good for him.I would much rather see him come back into Arya or Sansa's story. I used to want the Clegane bowl between him and Robert Strong, but I'm pretty sure Cersei's champion will win as I don't think she's going to die for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Dragon the Crispy Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 His role is to kill his brother with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think its the last we'll see of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I threw out a crackpot theory over at the March Preview thread about a week ago....it combines Ayra, Sansa, the Gravedigger the Faith's Champion as well as Gregorstein.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think Sandor as a plot device is gone simply because GRRM himself has been talking A LOT about how he needs to slim down his roster of characters. I mean think about it, he only has two books left, and if everything is done right, at least 1/4 of ADoS is going to be used as a sort of epilogue to tell us how everythign ended up, as that was the one thing he didn't like about LoTR (how did Aragorn rule? What happened to the orcs? etc). I think with GRRM it's quite obvious that he is going to give us some nitty gritty about the surviving people, and especially whoever ended up being the ruler of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booknerd2 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I threw out a crackpot theory over at the March Preview thread about a week ago....it combines Ayra, Sansa, the Gravedigger the Faith's Champion as well as Gregorstein.... Hey, Can you direct me to that thread? Would like to read it, even if crackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 since we are never told directly that the gravedigger is Sandor, we have to go with text about the Elder brother, who after describing how he "Died" on the trident in service of some lord in service to another lord in service to yet another lord he was stripped of all of his worldly possessions and left to float in the river and when he was "Reborn" and washed up on the island where he has led a life of quiet contemplation ever since. The elder brother then speaks of the "Death" of the hound and the removal of his worldly possessions (his helmet) left in a grave. If the Gravedigger is LiveSandor, he will no longer play a role in the series, as he has decades of not speaking ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingCotton66 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 i have a crack pot idea that dany will lead an army of R'hallorists to westeros and since the hound hares fire he may be a champion of the 7 against them. But this invasion of the others has to happen sometime and he may lead the army of the faith against them since i think the faith militant will be one of the only intact military forces left after all the fighting is done around the iron throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos's Missing Fingers Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think it is the last we see of him. I hope it is at least. IF the gravedigger if Sandor, then it can be assumed that he has finally come to peace with his inner demons and has given up his life of violence and I would hate for him to have to revert back from that. Even if it was as the Faith's Champion or something, if he has traded his sword for a shovel, it should stay that way. What if he fights as the Faith's champion...using his shovel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 No, I think Sandor will be seen again in the story. If that wasn't the plan then I think Martin would have had him die in truth. I don't think Sandor lives for revenge against his brother anymore. And, besides, his brother, for all intents and purposes, is gone. What's left of Gregor is now an undead monstrosity named Robert Strong. However, irony of ironies, I believe Sandor will still have that much anticipated confrontation with what's left of his brother only it will be motivated by something other than revenge now ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingCotton66 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 if sandor defeated gregorstein by knocking his helmet off with a shovel i would fall out of my chair laughing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I thought it was the perfect resolution to Sandor's storyline. I seriously doubt he'll play any further part in the story.The only reason to bring him back would be a predictable one eg. getting revenge on his brother or saving Sansa, neither of which would be GRRM's style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I believe that he is one of the shadows from Bran's dream. We will see him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hey, Can you direct me to that thread? Would like to read it, even if crackpot. Go to A Dance With Dragons forum...Winds of Winter sub...it is in the first pinned thread...my post is #544461 just main points with little explanation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benalapin Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Some would argue that it is not much of a resolution because it is too subtle//it doesn't have to be Sandor//we're not given any evidence he is truly "at peace"//there are better literary ways to resolve the storyline that would have made Sandor's entire arc more effective. That's what I'm interested in -- is seeing this purported Sandor scratch a dog behind the ears effective enough as a resolution to his story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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