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will Varys rescue Sansa from the Vale?


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Varys is in undercover so no one can track him but LF is open. As soon as Sansa and LF come to the moon's gate i think Varys will find out. He might kidnap sansa and take her to the east or to Storm's end. Arrange a dream marriage with aegon and consolidate his position. The riverlands, North(doubtful) and vale will come to his side. Again, the stormlords might also find trust in him.



Again, Aegon needs Arrianne and the dornish, doran might want to marry arriane to aegon, in that case Varys marries Sansa to tyrek and aegon declares him a new LP of the west. The lannisters leaderless, their army scattered or ruined in the riverlands may very well ditch tywin's inbred daughter cersei and her incest born son.



What do you think?


Its the only true way sansa will have any power as everyone wishes


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Varys will not be involved with the kidnapping of Sansa....The Mad Mouse Ser Shadrack will see to that...Varys does not have a concern about the Starks his primary focus is Targaryen whether Dany or Aegon makes no difference at this point in time...nevertheless Aegon has landed on Westeros shores and he'll be the one Varys has interest in...When and if Dany ever shows up then there will be decision time either that or an incestuous marriage...you pick


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Varys SEEMED to be in on the plot to marry Aegon to Dany. Granted, Varys might have an altogether different endgame, now and then, or will have to think on the fly with Aegon landing without Dany. Still, as of right now, I don't think Vary is interested in finding Sansa. I wouldn't be surprised if he knows, or can guess, that Littlefinger has her, come to think of it.


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Varys will not be involved with the kidnapping of Sansa....The Mad Mouse Ser Shadrack will see to that...Varys does not have a concern about the Starks his primary focus is Targaryen whether Dany or Aegon makes no difference at this point in time...nevertheless Aegon has landed on Westeros shores and he'll be the one Varys has interest in...When and if Dany ever shows up then there will be decsion time eother that or an incestuous marriage...you pick

I am still curious how one guy and one teenage girl can go through a horde of savages armed to the teeth.

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I am still curious how one guy and one teenage girl can go through a horde of savages armed to the teeth.

That horde of savages might just consider themselves allies of Sansa, her being the wife of their good friend Tyrion? Not that I think that Ser Shadrick will drag Sansa through the lands of the mountain clans. I'm still not certain what The Mad Mouse is really all about, anyway. But, I would point out........people can sail out of The Vale via Gulltown. Heck, Gulltown is probably only the main port of The Vale, there might be other places to catch a ship.

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In some ways it would be easier for Varys to let LF and Sansa retake the North and Riverlands leaving Aegon to take the rest of Westeros.

If Aegon wants to bring peace to Westeros then he needs to get rid of the Boltons and Freys and put a Stark back in Winterfell, so why not let LF do that?

I don't even see LF and Varys as enemies at this point. Their goals are perfectly compatible.

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I try not to say, "I think this will happen..." because I am in no rush to be wrong, but I will say, "I would not be surprised by..." ;)

I would be a bit surprised, and more than a bit disappointed, if Sansa is rescued by Varys, or by any man. I would not be surprised if Sansa rescues herself. See the recent "Sansa as a Damsel" thread.

What do we know about these books? We know Martin likes to take our expectations of lords and ladies, knights and royalty from traditional fantasy and shake things up. Challenge us. Sansa is his take on the Disney princess. She moves to the castle, is betrothed to a prince, is to become queen and mother to a king. Then her castle becomes a prison, her prince a sadistic monster, the thought of becoming queen a nightmare.

Now she is in the "abused step-child" phase. She doesn't face the torment received from the Lanisters, but still is not free. She's not free to be who she really is and certainly not free to leave.

But she has been paying attention and has learned a thing or two of the politics and machinations of the Game of Thrones.

It would be a waste for her story to end with her being rescued, like a helpless princess in a fairy tale.

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That horde of savages might just consider themselves allies of Sansa, her being the wife of their good friend Tyrion? Not that I think that Ser Shadrick will drag Sansa through the lands of the mountain clans. I'm still not certain what The Mad Mouse is really all about, anyway. But, I would point out........people can sail out of The Vale via Gulltown. Heck, Gulltown is probably only the main port of The Vale, there might be other places to catch a ship.

The clansmen don't remain in their lands, they attack the roads and villages of the Vale folk. Small parties are their favorite target. How would they know they are married? And more importantly how would this help the Mouse from kidnapping her? To get to the coast you most first take the roads, which again are filled with clansmen.

Edit: Not to mention the port lords are Littlefinger's BFFs.

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I am still curious how one guy and one teenage girl can go through a horde of savages armed to the teeth.

They don't go overland thru the Mountains of the Moon (Mouse, Sansa and two seemingly unnamed knights accompanying the Mouse as noted in ADWD).....they go south to Gulltown...board a ship by happenstance from Braavos and by further chance Arya is on board having been scrubbed out of the Church of Black and White as student FM for continuing to hold on to her Stark personality...however Sansa does not recognize Ayra as she still has the face of Mercy and Arya is to abashed to confront her sister...Gulltown is a stop along the way to the final desination of Maidenpool....On the trail from Maidenpool the little troop is beset and takes refuge at Quiet Isle...As is customary at Quiet Isle females are housed far from the main lodgings...During the evening the knights are in quiet discussion however their plans are overheard by the Gravedigger....Upon realizing who is on Quiet Isle the Gravedigger makes his way across the island to rescue the Stark girls from those that would put them in harm....While all this is happening a call has been put out by the Faith for a Champion to battle Cersei's man....Within the next few hours the Gravedigger makes short work of the and his accomplices and the Elder Brother recognizes that the Gravedigger has not completely subverted the Sandor personality and decides to send a reaven heralding The Faith's Champion....Sandor then greets Sansa and Arya and tells them what he is about to do and in fact if he wins the girls would then be under the protection of the Tyrells...In the meantime it has become common knowlrdge to the Mountain Clans that the wife of their titular leader (Tyrion) is on Quiet Isle in the Salt Pans....They rally to her defense and the equivilent of an army sets forth for KL....

I'll leave it for some else to carry on the crack pot....thanks for reading

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Sansa is wanted for her part in the poisoning of Joffrey. She has almost nothing to offer to Aegon whereas Arianne has the much needed spears of Dorne. The eyes of Varys are fixed on the Reach. If Aegon can secure the Reach and feed the people as a bright and pious prince, the small folk accepts him.



I think Shadrich will kidnap Sansa after she kills LF, so this is not a rescue.


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Nah, his interests seem set on Aegon and KL at the moment. Going out of his way to try and help Sansa isn't really going to be of much benefit to him at all, unless there's a way in which it makes sense for him to marry Aegon and Sansa.



Plus, it'd be better if Sansa rescues herself this time, provided she actually needs rescuing from something.


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The clansmen don't remain in their lands, they attack the roads and villages of the Vale folk. Small parties are their favorite target. How would they know they are married? And more importantly how would this help the Mouse from kidnapping her? To get to the coast you most first take the roads, which again are filled with clansmen.

Edit: Not to mention the port lords are Littlefinger's BFFs.

I guess you missed the part of my post that said I wasn't certain about ANYTHING with The Mad Mouse? Personally, I don't think any of this will come to pass.......Sansa and Shadrich on the road.....I was listing some problems with the general hypothetical in the OP and throughout the thread. As far as the Mountain Clans, they haven't included me in their clan councils, not as much as it seems they've included you, that is.

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This is no rescue, but a kidnapping. Though, I agree with you on one thing. I do think there will be an sort of interaction between Sansa and Varys. Simple because of her nickname. I have this pet theory that Sansa serves as a little bird for Varys for one time and because of the information she gives him - through Ser Shadrich - he will most likely set the death of Tommen in motion and at the same time try to give Sansa as a possible bride for Aegon. To which she, of course, refuses because she is taking matters into her hand.


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Not sure about the part of her being a little bird for Varys, but that is an interesting correlation. Its the Hound's nickname for her, but still.



I do agree with the fact that Varys isn't doing any saving, he would be taking - more akin to a kidnapping, just as LF wasn't so much saving her as taking her for his own devices (which we are still not fully aware of). Varys himself says on more than one occasion that he isn't a saver, not of Ned Stark, not of Tyrion, and he certainly wouldn't be saving Sansa...unless its the sort of "saving" he may or may not have done to Aegon Targaryen, which is, preserve a child with a name so that he could wield power in their name later on.



But no, I don't see him leaving KL, especially not to the Vale. His place is in the walls, lurking, until his plan with Aegon comes to pass.


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