Wmarshal Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I never got why people say he has to descend from southerners. If anyone would think like he thinks it is a man of the North. Wildlings- Deep hate and lack in want to understand them. The South never faced the like of wildlings, it has been North who has faced their raids and assaults.Jon's Changes- The backbone of the North is the wall. They have dozens of stories were the Watch tradition out ways family or needs. A Lord commander wanting to become king beyond the wall, was gutted by the northerners, The commanders of the watch warring with each other, gutted by Northerners. A son running a way from the watch, was sent back by his dad to be made into a popsicle. The NW is the North's heroes, to change it goes against North conception of the NW stand for.His fat guyness- Come on he is not the only fat guy we seen in the North.Over all I find Marsh to be very Northerner in his actions. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Marsh is the name of a Crannogmen house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I never got why people say he has to descend from southerners. If anyone would think like he thinks it is a man of the North. Wildlings- Deep hate and lack in want to understand them. The South never faced the like of wildlings, it has been North who has faced their raids and assaults. Jon's Changes- The backbone of the North is the wall. They have dozens of stories were the Watch tradition out ways family or needs. A Lord commander wanting to become king beyond the wall, was gutted by the northerners, The commanders of the watch warring with each other, gutted by Northerners. A son running a way from the watch, was sent back by his dad to be made into a popsicle. The NW is the North's heroes, to change it goes against North conception of the NW stand for. His fat guyness- Come on he is not the only fat guy we seen in the North. Over all I find Marsh to be very Northerner in his actions. What do you guys think? I agree and Jon Snow's Are Coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Marsh is the name of a Crannogmen house Yes but many think he had to be of a Southron sect of the house or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 They do? Interesting. Well, from the name, he is from the Neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I have this theory that Lady Stark was a Marsh, which if Jon is dead would make Bowen a kinslayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I've never heard anyone suggest that Marsh was a southerner. His name suggests that he is a crannogman like Jojen and Meera Reed, or at least from that region. Unless we have another House Marsh of the Reach or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 I've never heard anyone suggest that Marsh was a southerner. His name suggests that he is a crannogman like Jojen and Meera Reed, or at least from that region. Unless we have another House Marsh of the Reach or something... I one time heard he was of a branch that married a Frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I one time heard he was of a branch that married a Frey. If he was then his mother would be the Frey. And while that would explain his back-stabbing tendencies, I think Walder usually sends his married daughters off to live with their husbands' families so he has fewer mouths to feed. Of course I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I never got why people say he has to descend from southerners. If anyone would think like he thinks it is a man of the North. Wildlings- Deep hate and lack in want to understand them. The South never faced the like of wildlings, it has been North who has faced their raids and assaults. Jon's Changes- The backbone of the North is the wall. They have dozens of stories were the Watch tradition out ways family or needs. A Lord commander wanting to become king beyond the wall, was gutted by the northerners, The commanders of the watch warring with each other, gutted by Northerners. A son running a way from the watch, was sent back by his dad to be made into a popsicle. The NW is the North's heroes, to change it goes against North conception of the NW stand for. His fat guyness- Come on he is not the only fat guy we seen in the North. Over all I find Marsh to be very Northerner in his actions. What do you guys think? 3. There are fat people down south to you know. 1. His deep hatred of Wildlings was born at the wall. I find it highly unlikey that in a country as humongous as the North, the people who live as far south as the Neck (and safely hidden by the swamps) would hate the Wildlings. They don't suffer from raids and by the time a Crannogmen would even rear his head to fight one of the very rare large scale Wildling invasions the Lord of WF would have taken care of it. That being said he's obviously a decendant of House Marsh in the Neck. Perhaps he has southern blood, but I doubt it and it would certainly not be blood of the Freys of the Crossing. Freys and Crannogmen hate each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schway+ Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'll flip a table if he turns out to be a southerner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I one time heard he was of a branch that married a Frey. That's my theory (sort of). Actually, I proposed that his branch was sworn to House Frey for a couple generations, not that they had been married to them. That theory is mostly based on Marsh being the name of a Crannogmen House, but Marsh showing distaste for First Men culture and the Old Gods. Which made me search for a way to raise Marsh in culturally southron country. The Freys as the Neck's neighbours, and with quite a distaste for the First Men and the Crannogmen especially come to mind. Furthermore, GRRM already had a connection between a NW backstabber (Chett) and the Freys in place. But the hints for that theory are admittedly very weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 He may be a Northerner, but obviously he is not a True Northerner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's my theory (sort of). Actually, I proposed that his branch was sworn to House Frey for a couple generations, not that they had been married to them. That theory is mostly based on Marsh being the name of a Crannogmen House, but Marsh showing distaste for First Men culture and the Old Gods. Which made me search for a way to raise Marsh in culturally southron country. The Freys as the Neck's neighbours, and with quite a distaste for the First Men and the Crannogmen especially come to mind. Furthermore, GRRM already had a connection between a NW backstabber (Chett) and the Freys in place. But the hints for that theory are admittedly very weak. Where did you get a distaste for the old gods and first men from? I am generally curious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Where did you get a distaste for the old gods and first men from? I am generally curious? Maybe its not distaste, but Marsh follows the Seven, not the Old Gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Where did you get a distaste for the old gods and first men from? I am generally curious? He is quite opposed to recruits swearing their vows before the Old Gods, and glucks together with Septon Cellador, another guy consistently deriding the Old Gods and the First Men culture, especially in Dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Maybe its not distaste, but Marsh follows the Seven, not the Old Gods never seen him swear to the seven. He is quite opposed to recruits swearing their vows before the Old Gods, and glucks together with Septon Cellador, another guy consistently deriding the Old Gods and the First Men culture, especially in Dance. Because men are being hunted in the woods and going beyond the wall was very dangerous. Not to mention the men swearing their vows were of the seven. As to him hanging with the septon, their stand did not focus on the northern culture at all, but allying with wildlings and letting a whore squire for lord commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 <snip That being said he's obviously a decendant of House Marsh in the Neck. Perhaps he has southern blood, but I doubt it and it would certainly not be blood of the Freys of the Crossing. Freys and Crannogmen hate each other. :wub: A star-crossed love story, just like Romeo and Juliet! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Is it correct to assume that noble houses with names like Marsh or Thorne are actually descended from legitimized bastards? Or do the bastards automatically get the house name upon legitimization. If so, bad luck for people with names like Marsh and Thorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melisandros Megas Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'd like to propose a hypothesis that Bowen could be Jyana's brother and Howland's brother in-law.Maybe he knows perfectly well who it was that he stabbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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