Secto Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 In my book the faith needs Tommen for if he was no king at all the High Sparrow had to disarm the faith. That's why I'm sure the faith will stay on the Lannister-Tyrell front against FAegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Why would Aegon disarm the Faith? He has a whole continent to conquer and then defend, the Faith Militant fighting to unite the realm under his rule is exactly what he wants, or more pertinently what Varys has planned.And when a truly faithful king then sits the Iron Throne what need does the HS have for an army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secto Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Well, I just thoght JonCon wouldn't let the faith arm itself because FAegon wants to marry his own aunt. And the High Sparrow wouldn'5 support this... I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester_Withoutchains Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 targaryens have always intermarried. @Secto i have no idea what you are trying to get at. No one wanted the Faith militant to be rearmed. that was Cersi's mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I doubt Varys is upset about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Well, I just thoght JonCon wouldn't let the faith arm itself because FAegon wants to marry his own aunt. And the High Sparrow wouldn'5 support this... I guess. Aegon wants to be king, I doubt he would deny marriage either his hot cousin or Marg if HS promises him his swords and the support of the small folk. And quick history lesson, peasants beats dragons, a specially fanatics and during storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secto Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 My point is that the faith will support Tommen for they want to stay armed in order to have more influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester_Withoutchains Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 the Faith will support whoever it see as more advantageous towards its position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 My point is that the faith will support Tommen for they want to stay armed in order to have more influence. Why do they need him to stay armed? More likely they need to get rid of him to stop crazy Cersei from removing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secto Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Since KING Tommen armed them. If they support the pretender Aegon they'll have to say: Hey Tommen is no king. Just a bastard born out of twincest.Therefore his decrea to arm them is pointless.King Jahaerys disarmed them and only a king can quash a king's decrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor227 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's ostensibly the same reason why the Tyrells have to back Cersei in her trial. If Tommen ceases to be a king, Margery's no queen. The problem is that there's ways around that in the case of the Faith. It's a lot easier to arm people than it is to disarm them. King Maegor fought the Faith Militant for literally his entire life, and he had dragons on his side. If Aegon or Dany, or Stannis, or whomever else sits on the throne tries to disarm the Faith now that they've got an enormous armed presence in King's Landing, and are likely building up elsewhere as well considering the state of the realm, they're in for actual trouble. Do you think the High Septon is going to bow down meekly? He's going to say "Haha... Yeah, that's a good one. No." And then it's either accept that the Faith is armed, or face a civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Since KING Tommen armed them. If they support the pretender Aegon they'll have to say: Hey Tommen is no king. Just a bastard born out of twincest.Therefore his decrea to arm them is pointless.King Jahaerys disarmed them and only a king can quash a king's decreaThe only way the Faith is dropping their weapons is if they're destroyed or the HS commands them to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secto Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's ostensibly the same reason why the Tyrells have to back Cersei in her trial. If Tommen ceases to be a king, Margery's no queen. The problem is that there's ways around that in the case of the Faith. It's a lot easier to arm people than it is to disarm them. King Maegor fought the Faith Militant for literally his entire life, and he had dragons on his side. If Aegon or Dany, or Stannis, or whomever else sits on the throne tries to disarm the Faith now that they've got an enormous armed presence in King's Landing, and are likely building up elsewhere as well considering the state of the realm, they're in for actual trouble. Do you think the High Septon is going to bow down meekly? He's going to say "Haha... Yeah, that's a good one. No." And then it's either accept that the Faith is armed, or face a civil war.Ok... this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Since KING Tommen armed them. If they support the pretender Aegon they'll have to say: Hey Tommen is no king. Just a bastard born out of twincest.Therefore his decrea to arm them is pointless.King Jahaerys disarmed them and only a king can quash a king's decreaThe faith has the backing of the smallfolk and a set army, removing them is not in the best interest of a new monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael Abel Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's ostensibly the same reason why the Tyrells have to back Cersei in her trial. If Tommen ceases to be a king, Margery's no queen. The problem is that there's ways around that in the case of the Faith. It's a lot easier to arm people than it is to disarm them. King Maegor fought the Faith Militant for literally his entire life, and he had dragons on his side. If Aegon or Dany, or Stannis, or whomever else sits on the throne tries to disarm the Faith now that they've got an enormous armed presence in King's Landing, and are likely building up elsewhere as well considering the state of the realm, they're in for actual trouble. Do you think the High Septon is going to bow down meekly? He's going to say "Haha... Yeah, that's a good one. No." And then it's either accept that the Faith is armed, or face a civil war. The Tyrells will publicly support Cercei, but also work to prove their devotion to The Seven. That way, if Cercei wins, Margery stays queen, but if she loses, the HS will annul their marriage, probably saying something along the lines of "the gods have seen fit to free Margery from her marriage to those who would profane the ways of the gods!". Finding out the FaithMil is active will be a game changer for the learned characters (Haldon) in Westeros. Like QoT says in the show "Once you've milked the cow, theres no squirting it back up her udder". This realization may allow Griff to convince YG to marry Arianne instead of waiting for Dany, subverting the whole incest problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennedy the Keen Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Aegon wants to be king, I doubt he would deny marriage either his hot cousin or Marg if HS promises him his swords and the support of the small folk. And quick history lesson, peasants beats dragons, a specially fanatics and during storms.And chained down not able to fly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So far the Faith Militant isn't especially strong, so they can be squashed without a lot of trouble. The only thing they have going is their leader, the High Sparrow. Maybe Bonifer Hasty in a supporting role. The HS is a combination of fanatic and pragmatic. I don't see him supporting the bastard child of incest beyond his usefulness. If Tommen becomes a liability he's toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 And chained down not able to fly... Or during storms or hit by trebs, or spear to the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester_Withoutchains Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 we dont know how many faith militants there are presently. the small folk support their liege lords. and targaryen intermarriage wasnt a problem. the incest part was cersi and jaime. which in medieval times sleeping with the queen was considered sedition and treason if you were not the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 My point is that the faith will support Tommen for they want to stay armed in order to have more influence. OK, let's imagine that they don't lay down their weapons, because, simply, they don't bloody well feel like it. Which king is going to crush them by force, wasting resources and general support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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