Iron Hawk Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Gendry is Robert's bastard son, but Cersei is not his mother. What if the people of Westoros knew Gendry was Robert's son. What if Robert and Gendry both knew what the deal was between them. Being the son of the former king, could Gendry have any claim to the throne? Or does Cersei, (or just "the queen") have to be his mother too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 He needs to be legitimised by a king to have a legally valid claim. But the Westerosi nobles would never accept someone with his background on the throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hawk Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not completely familiar with the way heirship and hierarchy works in Westoros. Just to be sure, if Robert would have known whom Gendry was, and Robert legitimised Gendry, then would Gendry be heir? Regardless of whether or not nobles would accept him, would Gendry legally have the right to the throne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If he was able to get enough swords behind him nobody would care about him being a bastard. But that's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not completely familiar with the way heirship and hierarchy works in Westoros. Just to be sure, if Robert would have known whom Gendry was, and Robert legitimised Gendry, then would Gendry be heir? Regardless of whether or not nobles would accept him, would Gendry legally have the right to the throne? He would legally be entitled to the IT in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I could see him being named Lord of the Stormlands, but not sitting the throne. He doesn't have the background for it, and probably wouldn't want it. After all, look what the stupid metal chair did to his father. Sitting the throne was probably the worst thing that ever happened to Robert. Without it he wouldn't have had to marry Cersei, might have been able to lead a more active life...all kinds of things would have been different for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 When its outed that Myrcella and Tommen are bastard Lannisters its all to play for. Our boy is doing well though. He's got Thoros with him and a good Stark alliance. And we all know the Starks are the winners. Fun thing to note, the recent Worlds extract confirm Orys Baratheon was a baseborn bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Gendry could be put forward as a candidate before a Grand Councile, if he became widely accepted as Robert's bastard and there was simply no legitimate candidate in either the Targaryan or Baratheon lines. But it would probably lead to a civil war as other remote claimants who were outvoted gathered their swords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 A grand council would go and find Edric. Stannis and Jon are Gendry's backers for Storm's End in the long run I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booknerd2 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I love Gendry's character. I do. I post about it all the time. I am the first to admit, hell no. No, no, no…. Not heir to the throne. For many reasons. But could he somehow be recognized as a Baratheon and perhaps rise a bit that way? Yeah. It was and still is one of the farthest reaching, constant pop-up, and thrown in our face reminders, and hanging running bits for the series. This goes across many books and chapters. It has involved many other characters. It starts with Robert's friend, Ned and Tobho, continues across 3 books with Arya, and then continues into book 4 with THE MOTHER, Uncat, who he is currently with. Come on, Ned, Arya, and Cat. All three Starks? Could he shake Starks if he tried? Brienne realizes it and is about to shout it from the rooftops, and then it ends in a cliffhanger when Rorge and Biter show up. She is recovering from a friggin' chewed face, of all things, and is still on the damn topic and asks where Gendry is. She doesn't even want to rest, for chrissakes... Something is in store for him. And I don't think it is just being with the BWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fangirl000 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The problem, of course, is who could vouch for the fact that Gendry is Robert's son. Ned and Jon Arryn knew, but they are dead. Janos Slynt would have remembered that he was sent to kill a blacksmith's boy in King's Landing around the time all those other suspected bastards were being killed. But he's dead, too. I think it was Cersei who gave the order for the bastard killing, so she might remember that a blacksmith's boy was never accounted for. She has bigger things on her mind right now, and she has no reason to try and legitimize one of Robert's bastards in place of one of her own kids. And if her kids are dead by the time it becomes an issue, I think she will be so mad with grief, no one would find her word credible about anything anymore. Vary's admitted to knowing the identities of several of Robert's bastards, and he helped Gendry escape the city, leading to the reasonable inference that Varys knows that Gendry is one of Robert's bastards. But Varys is in hiding right now, and Varys seems to be a firm supporter of the Targaryen claim to the throne. Littlefinger has sources that might be able to confirm Gendry's identity, but he is busy playing with the Vale. EDIT TO ADD: Brienne recognizes that Gendry looks a lot like Renly. But she has no way to confirm Gendry's identity other than an inkling of a suspicion. Of the list of possible people to verify Gendry's identity, only Cersei, Varys, and Littlefinger might be able to do so at some point in the future. Cersei has no motive to help Gendry, and likely still wants him dead. Varys has no motive to help, and reason to act against Gendry to further the Targaryen cause. Littlefinger - if he can confirm - has no motive to help, but also no motive to hinder Gendry (at the moment). All that said, I have to admit that Gendry is my dark horse/crackpot candidate for the Throne. He could end up as King without ever knowing his bastard background, because of some future epic heroism as a Knight. The rise of the High Sparrow from humble roots shows that the social order is changing in Westeros, and I could see GRRM ending it all with a commoner as King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagosi High Chef Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 He could be an heir if legitimized by a Baratheon monarch who declared him an heir. Otherwise, no. He is a bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfell Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Legally he could be legitimised a heir via a Grand Council or such, but it's much more likely that, given the choice between Robert's bastards, they would go for Edric Storm because he's noble blood on both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Gendry is Robert's bastard son, but Cersei is not his mother. What if the people of Westoros knew Gendry was Robert's son. What if Robert and Gendry both knew what the deal was between them. Being the son of the former king, could Gendry have any claim to the throne? Or does Cersei, (or just "the queen") have to be his mother too? If any of Robert's bastards were to be legitimized, it would be Edric Storm, because 1) Robert officially acknowledged him as his son, and 2) his mother was a noblewoman. And the reason Robert officially acknowledged him was, again, because the mother was a noblewoman (and maybe also because she was from the family of his brother's in-laws). It all comes down to that, and Gendry doesn't stand a chance. Aegon the Unworthy legitimized some of his bastards, but only four of them - those whose mothers were noblewomen, and the one who tried to become king and started a civil war was the one whose mother was a Targaryen. (He was also the eldest of the three legimized bastard sons, but I don't think he would've gotten as much support if his mom hadn't been a Targ.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If any of Robert's bastards were to be legitimized, it would be Edric Storm, because 1) Robert officially acknowledged him as his son, and 2) his mother was a noblewoman. And the reason Robert officially acknowledged him was, again, because the mother was a noblewoman (and maybe also because she was from the family of his brother's in-laws). It all comes down to that, and Gendry doesn't stand a chance. Aegon the Unworthy legitimized some of his bastards, but only four of them - those whose mothers were noblewomen, and the one who tried to become king and started a civil war was the one whose mother was a Targaryen. (He was also the eldest of the three legimized bastard sons, but I don't think he would've gotten as much support if his mom hadn't been a Targ.) Actually according to Sansa's sixth chapter in ASOS he legitimized all of them. And the Great Bastards weren't the only children he had with noble women, he supposedly got the three maiden daughters of Lord Butterwel with child as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If any of Robert's bastards were to be legitimized, it would be Edric Storm, because 1) Robert officially acknowledged him as his son, and 2) his mother was a noblewoman. And the reason Robert officially acknowledged him was, again, because the mother was a noblewoman (and maybe also because she was from the family of his brother's in-laws). It all comes down to that, and Gendry doesn't stand a chance. Aegon the Unworthy legitimized some of his bastards, but only four of them - those whose mothers were noblewomen, and the one who tried to become king and started a civil war was the one whose mother was a Targaryen. (He was also the eldest of the three legimized bastard sons, but I don't think he would've gotten as much support if his mom hadn't been a Targ.) Isn't it possible to legitimize all of the living Baratheon bastards but only allow Edric and any other noble-born bastards to sit the throne? They need a Baratheon at Storm's End as well, so putting Edric on the throne is great but leaves a big, gaping hole in the Stormlands. Gendry could fill that hole. They could also work it out in advance with Gendry that he will be offered the throne as a courtesy but has to turn it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The Westerosi nobles would never accept the child of a tavern wench, who grew up as a commoner blacksmith, for their king. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 No. Who would believe him if he told them anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The Westerosi nobles would never accept the child of a tavern wench, who grew up as a commoner blacksmith, for their king. No way. The question was who was Robert's heir - but this may be limited to simply being heir to the Stormlands, depending who wins. Is someone pointed out, if the bastardy of Cersei's children is accepted, then House Baratheon is up for grabs. Stannis would be the legitimate heir, but has no sons, and it was already shown that Stormlands lords were willing to back a popular man of lesser actual ranking (Renly). As for their acceptance - if one can force it upon them with a sword at their throat, they will accept anything. How many accepted Joffrey or Tommen as their liege lords ? Gendry might be a bastard who makes a good candidate to legitimize - his rival would be Edric Storm who is highborn on both sides and acknowledged. Gendry has much in common with his father, and having earned a knighthood on his own in war, he may have gained some respect as well. Even if never named "Baratheon", Gendry is a Ser now, having been knighted by Beric Dondarrion. I don't think Gendry is the sort of person who would want to be a king - his own experiences make him suspicious of power and nobility, and I don't think he thinks of himself as a leader; he seems to prefer the simple life. So, he might be a good man to have brooding at Storm's End, but if he and Stannis ever met (with both knowing he is Robert's son), I think he'd gladly serve a King Stannis rather than inherit the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Legally no. But if he was to say get the backing of a powerful lord well then people will side with whatever benefits them the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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