Nymeria Stone Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Let's suppose Ser Barristan hadn't been dismissed and Jaime had been at King's Landing at the time.If Joffrey COMMANDED them to beat Sansa, what would they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 They would do it, Jaime would not had his hand cut off, and would have remained a belief less son of a whore. As o Barry, well, the guy did serve under Aerys, who burnt men alive and raped his wife when old Barry and crew sat outside. Barry may have rationalized it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermithorSunni Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I think Jaime would talk Joffrey out of it. It makes the King look bad. In the books, (and on the TV show) Tywin was pretty good at putting Joffrey in his place and Jaime would have picked up on that. I think Barristan would have quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Will Come Again Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jamie wouldnt have done it. Go back and re read his first chapter in the white tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkNaked Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 As already mentioned, they both stood by whilst the Mad King burned people alive and raped his wife. We know that Jaime disliked doing nothing at such a time but he still stood by did it. I don't think either would have refused Joffery no matter their personal feelings on the abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Barristan would have done it, Jaime wouldn't. One mad king was enough for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeria Stone Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 As already mentioned, they both stood by whilst the Mad King burned people alive and raped his wife. We know that Jaime disliked doing nothing at such a time but he still stood by did it. I don't think either would have refused Joffery no matter their personal feelings on the abuse. Jaime killed the Mad King though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Standing by isn't the same as carrying the act out. Straw that broke the camels back etc. Also I would imagine that Jaime would have been a powerful enough figure in the court to flat out tell the king no anyway, brother of the queen, son of Tywin etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 The both would have obeyed but, they would not strike with a lot of force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkNaked Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jaime killed the Mad King though He killed him because his actions threatened not only his life, but the lives of thousands of people in quite extraordinary circumstances. He didn't do a thing when the Mad King was burning Starks alive and he wasn't even related to Areys where as Joffery is his "nephew" and the son of the women he loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Whats wrong with standing there and watcing Aerys burn those people ? If Jaime tried to stop it he would have been killed by the other KG or the Gold Cloaks in the castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Sansa Stark Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jaime wouldn't have done it. He may be a despicable human being, but I don't see him hitting Sansa. As for Barristan well he is an enabler, but somehow I doubt he would hit a helpless child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pentos Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jaime would have told Joffrey to go fuck himself. Barristan would have just walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jaime pushed a little boy out a window and was prepared to gut Arya for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jaime pushed a little boy out a window and was prepared to gut Arya for no reason. Yeah, that is pretty much decisive as far as I am concerned. I don't understand why people think that the Jaime of early GOT will have any issues doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Barristan would have done it Arys Oakheart-style, i.e. half-assed to make himself feel less guilty. Jaime would have tried to persuade Joffrey out of having it done but in the end also probably would have done it.I must say I'm continuously surprised by the myth of the pure and honorable Selmy. The guy served Aerys to the very end and only left Joffrey because he got sacked. Let's not kid ourselves here, mmkay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Also I would imagine that Jaime would have been a powerful enough figure in the court to flat out tell the king no anyway, brother of the queen, son of Tywin etc. ^ This. Along with the fact that Jaime was lecturing the KG about "protecting the king from himself" (i.e. if tommen wants to kill his horse, stop him). The only reason why Aerys's KG stood by and did nothing is because they'd be burnt alive for treason if they tried to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I must say I'm continuously surprised by the myth of the pure and honorable Selmy. The guy served Aerys to the very end and only left Joffrey because he got sacked. Let's not kid ourselves here, mmkay? But isn't that exactly the definition of honor in the asoiaf world? No one seems to think that the knights who remained steadfastly loyal to the Targaryen cause despite knowing what Aerys was like were dishonorable. Jaime was the only one who did not remain loyal (although under truly extraordinary circumstances) and he is reviled for turning on Aerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 ^ This. Along with the fact that Jaime was lecturing the KG about "protecting the king from himself" (i.e. if tommen wants to kill his horse, stop him). The only reason why Aerys's KG stood by and did nothing is because they'd be burnt alive for treason if they tried to do something.That's under Tommen, though, not Joffrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 But isn't that exactly the definition of honor in the asoiaf world? No one seems to think that the knights who remained steadfastly loyal to the Targaryen cause despite knowing what Aerys was like were dishonorable. Jaime was the only one who did not remain loyal (although under truly extraordinary circumstances) and he is reviled for turning on Aerys.My point is that if Selmy is ordered by the king ordered to beat a girl, he will. The fact that it's even in doubt speaks to how whitewashed Selmy has become.Perhaps honorable wasn't the best word to use, as you suggested. But I think my point is still pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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