[Book + TV Spoilers] Loras/Cersei

[siberia82]

It has occured to me that perhaps an additional reason why Willias and Garlan Tyrell have been removed from the TV-verse (besides trimming down on the number of the characters) is so that the writers can "force" Loras to marry Cersei to increase the Lannister-Tyrell drama. Loras will become both the husband of the Queen Regent and, more importantly, the stepfather of Tommen. Cersei is the Queen Regent, and will still retain her role in the political side of things, but in terms of how their marriage is run and how Tommen is raised, Loras as her husband would---at least in theory---trump her. The writers have occasionally made BIG changes when adapting the novels, and this could be one of them.

[ambi76]

1. Show!Loras is just parked with the Cersei betrothal and will become Kingsguard in season 5 (via Cersei or himself).

A change insofar as this either means a break between Loras and his family (a bit earlier than in the books, were I would say his insistence on storming Dragonstone is much less selfless than many people think it is.) Or Cersei really loses it pretty fast in season 5 and the Tyrells look like utter dumbasses staying in the alliance after that, because even Tywin took his ball and went home when Aerys pulled that shit, and he had a dwarf-son backup (if disliked), which the Tyrells presumably don't even have.

2. Loras and Cersei actually get married on the show.

Big fat depature from the books! Could imply that Willas will marry Cersei (to finally get her out of KL) at one future point in the books and end up with a "bad case of knife in the bowels" as Tyrion so nicely puts it. Could mean they're just setting up a "Loras as valonquar" thing. Could mean they have run out of ideas. It's much more unlikely than the first scenario(s) though.

[PatrickStormborn]

I very much doubt Loras and Cersei will actually get married... It seems most likely that Tywin will plan for the wedding to take place after Tyrion's trial (and subsequent execution), and then Cersei will take power and stop the arrangements.

[Mos]

If either Willas or Garlan are gonna play a big part in later books, D&D may have written themselves into a corner not including them in the show. So maybe it's necessary to not let Loras become Kingsguard as he needs to take that role later on. I don't think Cersei and Loras will marry. As soon as Tywin dies Cersei will flip Loras the bird and call it off. After that, I don't think it's necessary for Loras to join the Kingsguard. He might as well just stay in the capital to protect his sister.

So, I think it's a better choice to skip the Kingsguard thing and let Loras take the role of Willas/Garlan in the future, instead of introducing a cousin out of the blue. That is, if Willas/Garlan has something important to do in the last couple of books.

[Koi No Yokan]

I very much doubt Loras and Cersei will actually get married... It seems most likely that Tywin will plan for the wedding to take place after Tyrion's trial (and subsequent execution), and then Cersei will take power and stop the arrangements.

Agreed.

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

I very much doubt Loras and Cersei will actually get married... It seems most likely that Tywin will plan for the wedding to take place after Tyrion's trial (and subsequent execution), and then Cersei will take power and stop the arrangements.

Yep and I suspect their union will barely get more than a couple of mentions in passing (like the Jaime/Loras scene). They might have a scene where Cersei suggests getting out of it to continue to Regent for Tom, and then have Tywin quash it, but there is too much else going on to push that story very far at all.

[six]

I very much doubt Loras and Cersei will actually get married... It seems most likely that Tywin will plan for the wedding to take place after Tyrion's trial (and subsequent execution), and then Cersei will take power and stop the arrangements.

This, I'm pretty sure they won't have them marry and that Cersei won't marry again. They mess stuff around, but they don't change major storylines, at least not so far.

I wonder if Loras will join the kg though...

[Ser Tahu]

I think there are two likely outcomes to this scenario:

1) As others have said, Tywin could postpone the wedding until after Tyrion's trial is finished, and the Cersei will cancel it at the start of S5 when she rises to power after Tywin's death.

Or (my preferred option) 2) In episode 5 Tywin and Cersei apparently 'plan the crown's next move'. This will likely involve the Tommen-Margaery wedding being arranged. After this happens, Loras could come to the conclusion that his sister won't be safe as Queen (since Joffrey was so easily poisoned and Renly so easily murdered) and volunteer for the Kingsguard in order to protect her.

[Koi No Yokan]

I think there are two likely outcomes to this scenario:

1) As others have said, Tywin could postpone the wedding until after Tyrion's trial is finished, and the Cersei will cancel it at the start of S5 when she rises to power after Tywin's death.

Or (my preferred option) 2) In episode 5 Tywin and Cersei apparently 'plan the crown's next move'. This will likely involve the Tommen-Margaery wedding being arranged. After this happens, Loras could come to the conclusion that his sister won't be safe as Queen (since Joffrey was so easily poisoned and Renly so easily murdered) and volunteer for the Kingsguard in order to protect her.

Only problem with the second scenario is that it leaves Highgarden without an heir. I don't know of what importance that story will be to the show going forward, but I feel like Loras being the heir is more important than the position of a glorified bodyguard that just ends up standing around KL anyway. Loras can still take care of Marg, befriend Tommen, and go and lead the charge on Dragonstone (again, if it's in the show) without the title of Kingsguard.

[Good Guy Garlan]

Are we a 100% sure Garlan and/or Willas are out? I know Loras is the heir to Highgarden, but they could make Garlan or Willas his younger brothers, unless the show has flat-out said Loras and Margaery are the only siblings

[King Zee]

prediction.

Either Tywin will break the engaement and offer Cersei to Oberyn as a means of balancing the Tyrells or

Cersei will try to seduce Oberyn into killing Loras.

[Ser Tahu]

Are we a 100% sure Garlan and/or Willas are out? I know Loras is the heir to Highgarden, but they could make Garlan or Willas his younger brothers, unless the show has flat-out said Loras and Margaery are the only siblings

I believe they said that Margaery would be the heir to Highgarden if Loras joined the Kingsguard, so that basically rules out Garlan and Willas being younger brothers.

[Good Guy Garlan]

I believe they said that Margaery would be the heir to Highgarden if Loras joined the Kingsguard, so that basically rules out Garlan and Willas being younger brothers.

Aww, that sucks. I thought they were keeping it ambiguous if they needed to bring them later. But yeah, now I remembered that they said Loras was the sole heir to HG

[Gneisenau]

prediction.

Either Tywin will break the engaement and offer Cersei to Oberyn as a means of balancing the Tyrells or

Cersei will try to seduce Oberyn into killing Loras.

I thought given Cersei's rape that she is done with the whole "use sex to manipulate men" stuff.

[Koi No Yokan]

I thought given Cersei's rape that she is done with the whole "use sex to manipulate men" stuff.

We haven't even seen Cersei since that scene, so that's a pretty big assumption to make.