1. If that shadow hadn't slain Renly, what would of happened in the story?
2. Likely, he would've crushed Stannis in the morning.
3. Would he of actually killed Stannis though?
4. After gaining his brother's bannermen, Renly would surely of sieged King's Landing. More than likely he would've won, due to the support of Highgarden.
5. Renly would've won the war,
6. allied with Robb,
7. crushed the Lannister's,
8. freed Sansa
9. and would be king. Stark and Baratheon uniting the North and South again.
10. But what else would of happen, and what would happen under Renly's rule?
11. Would attention go to the Wall after hearing about the Fight at the Fist of the First Men?
12. Daenerys? And what if she attacked while Renly sat the Throne?
13. So what do you think would've happened if Renly lived? A peaceful rule?
1. Depends on so many factors. If Mel's shadow fails, does she feel danger? Would she warn Stannis? Would Stannis win despite the odds because he has been preparing for this battle for the past month? Would Stannis be able to retreat like on the Blackwater? Not that simple to answear.
2. Debatable. Stannis picked the time and place, and has prep time. He knows the history of Renly's top commanders, and in a single move forced Renly to drop his 20-1 advantage to a 4-1. This is still Stannis Baratheon, last time someone thought he has all the advantages in the world to defeat him, it ended with Fair Isle.
3. Yes. He told his men to make sure that Stannis' body is not misteated "when" he falls, not if. If he wanted to spare him he would have told them to spare him like Renly was specific about Barristan. Problem is that Stannis is a problem to Renly's claim, and in Renly's own words, Stannis has the better claim "while he lives". On the other hand Barristan as a propaganda tools is important to Renly.
4. Dependes on how Tywin reacts to the news. He could disregard his own lands now that there is nothing to stop Renly, and defend KL. Renly might take out the Lannisters early, instead of having Robb bleeding them for him, as well as his own men in the process. That's kind of against Renly's strategy of letting others fight while he takes his time.
5. No. Contrary to Renly's beliefe, he had only the Reach with him. Granted, they field the largest army, but it's one (two with the Stormlands) region of several. Dorne would not join him, unless he already defeated everyone else, and they would still try and work to regain the throne for a non-Baratheon/Stark/Tully/Arryn/Lannister, with a marriage alliance. Renly is already married, and to a Tyrell of all people, Dorne's traditional enemies. The Vale takes orders from Lysa, and Lysa takes them from LF, who wants to control the king, or be king. Depending on how LF wants to play his game, the Vale can either declare for Renly, against Renly, or stay isolated. The North is independant, and Catelyn thinking that she can force Robb to put off his crown is nice and all but Robb tells her that he does not need to ask her for his actions later in ASOS, which shows that what Catelyn thinks and what she can deliver are two very different things. The Ironborn are already on thier way to attack the North, so that means that Renly has the same forces as he had at first, only now he has to worry about all the fronts. Not a swift victory, or an assured one. That is without considering the possibility of the Iron Bank going at some point to Shireen. Tyrion spent all of the remaining funds on his chain. If the crown does not need to fear Stannis' fleet, and will require emergency funds to face Renly, we get to the same situation as Tycho looking for Stannis. Shireen was not at SE, she was on Dragonstone.
6. Not gonna happen. Robb and the Northmen want independence, and they still control a hell of alot of troops.
7. Tywin, sure. the Westerlands is a different story, and the Lannisters can still play defence. It won't be over in a day, especially when Renly might still need to worry about other fronts.
8. LoL nope. She is a hostage. A pointless hostage since Robb already said he won't trade her for anything important, and bending the knee is pretty important.
9. Fantasy. Going off the books, no logical reason to think this to be the case.
10. Remember the Lannisters slowly taking over Robert's court? Same thing only the Tyrells playing the Lannister's part, and Renly playing Robert's. The only major difference is that Renly has even fewer allies than Robert.
11. Nothing to indicate Renly doing more than mocking the letter before tossing it away.
12. The same as attacking now, only Renly would have less troops than the Lannisters and the Tyrells can field together.
13. Nope. Expect less stability in the short term, and in a scenario that Renly actually wins, expect the court intrigue and political power plays to take it up a notch.
Edited by Nyrhex, 20 April 2014 - 06:23 PM.