Wmarshal Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 In the dispute between the Vale men and their kingdommates the clansmen, who do side with?I am with the falcon knights, I find the clansmen butchers who do nothing but assault the weak, but that is me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The knights of the Vale of course, the clansmen are scum, they rape and pillage but then cower in fear when fighting men ride by, unless the fighting men are in such small number they think they can overwhelm, and even then they probably fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To catch a Lannister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Give me a knight armored in steel with sigils, banners, horses, lances, and all the other classy trappings over rampaging barbarian goofs any day. The Vale has been the seat of house Arryn for a millennia it's there's dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 The knights of the Vale of course, the clansmen are scum, they rape and pillage but then cower in fear when fighting men ride by, unless the fighting men are in such small number they think they can overwhelm, and even then they probably fail. Didn't Bronn beat a whole group solo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Heath Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The clansmen are just bandits with no redeeming qualities besides Shagga, son of Dolf being amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Knights of the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 The clansmen are just bandits with no redeeming qualities besides Shagga, son of Dolf being amusing. seeing as how he is living in the KW now, I think we can mark off as a Vale clansmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha's Suckling Babe Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The clansmen are just bandits with no redeeming qualities besides Shagga, son of Dolf being amusing. Well they have democracy and gender equality, but other than those two minor things they are quite barbaric :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedwyck Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You have to admit the clansmen are pretty badass, being the only group in the seven kingdoms indefinitely free from Kings and Lords. They bow to no one's law, but their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The Knights of the Vale, I hope the clansmen get bold enough to merge into one army and march on the Bloody Gate then the Knights of the Vale meet them there and the Bloody Gate gets bloodier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm with the Clansmen, mostly. As a Swiss, the parallel to the Swiss-Austrian relations of the middle ages is too hard to unsee :P More to the point though, while the Clans are barbarians, th knights of the Vale are hardly better. The Clansmen may rape and plunder, but the Knights of the Vale likewise include rape enabler Baelish and pederast Corbray. They are no less barbaric than the clansmen they hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I side with the Clansmen. Besides what theguyfromtheVale and Asha's Suckling Babe have said, I think we should take into account that the Clansmen are the original inhabitants of the Vale. They lived in peace before the Andals pushed them up into the Mountains. And now they are forced to live a meager existence up in the cold and harsh mountains (IIRC Tyrion noted on how scrawny and underfed the Clan Warriors were), no wonder that they have to raid to stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I side with the Clansmen. Besides what theguyfromtheVale and Asha's Suckling Babe have said, I think we should take into account that the Clansmen are the original inhabitants of the Vale. They lived in peace before the Andals pushed them up into the Mountains. And now they are forced to live a meager existence up in the cold and harsh mountains (IIRC Tyrion noted on how scrawny and underfed the Clan Warriors were), no wonder that they have to raid to stay alive. Eh, while I'm generally with you, I don't think that argument goes anywhere, ever. "Who was here first" only serves to keep old wounds open and make compromise impossible. Also, that kind of thing just shouldn't matter to current time clansmen or Vale knights. They have to make with what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwerto son of Blåtand Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I´m on the Mountain clans side. They were pushed away from their lands in the vale and up in the harsh mountains during the Andal invasion.Besides i find the knights of the Vale very arrogant. Tyrion managed to convince the tribes to fight for him easly while the Vale have been troubled by the clansmen for god knows how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Eh, while I'm generally with you, I don't think that argument goes anywhere, ever. "Who was here first" only serves to keep old wounds open and make compromise impossible. Also, that kind of thing just shouldn't matter to current time clansmen or Vale knights. They have to make with what they have. It's not as if the Clansmen had a choice. If they wanted to remain free (and alive) to follow their culture, they had to go up in the Mountains. And the Mountains don't offer anything, so they do what they must for survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I am from a small country myself and we have been pushed around quite a lot, but still going with the knights, as assimilation can work wonders. Furthermore no matter what they still rape and pillage, which reminds me of today's blind nationalism, especially in smaller countries, that cling to any tradition no matter how outdated it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It's not as if the Clansmen had a choice. If they wanted to remain free (and alive) to follow their culture, they had to go up in the Mountains. And the Mountains don't offer anything, so they do what they must for survival. Oh, I agree. It's just that blaming the current clansmen or the current knights of the Vale for the crimes of their forefathers is futile ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Oh, I agree. It's just that blaming the current clansmen or the current knights of the Vale for the crimes of their forefathers is futile ;) That's of course another question, you can't choose how you grow up I guess ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Oh, I agree. It's just that blaming the current clansmen or the current knights of the Vale for the crimes of their forefathers is futile ;) It's futile on a personal level, but I do think that a bit of historic understanding would do wonders for that conflict. In any case it's the knights of the Vale that need to give concessions. If they don't want incursions by the Clans, they should share the bounties of the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 they don't want incursions by the Clans, they should share the bounties of the Vale. Or, and while that would be shit, granted, they should just have completely conquered them and integrated them so they can have lands and holdings on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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