AMoore4 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There has been a lot of talk of the power of kings blood and the possibility of Stannis (or Melisandre) sacrificing Shireen so that Stannis can claim the Iron Throne. Does anyone think there is any chance that Stannis will sacrifice himself so that Shireen can Sit on the Iron Throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I wouldn't completely put it past him. His daughter isn't strong and she has Greyscale but his own health has gone to shit since the shadow assassins. He's basically a terminal cancer patient even without all the stress and battles. So yeah, maybe he doesn't put that much value on his own life if he needed to make a sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMoore4 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 I wouldn't completely put it past him. His daughter isn't strong and she has Greyscale but his own health has gone to shit since the shadow assassins. He's basically a terminal cancer patient even without all the stress and battles. So yeah, maybe he doesn't put that much value on his own life if he needed to make a sacrifice. That's a great point, I completely forgot about his health. Is this enough for him to sacrifice himself for house Baratheon. We all know that Stannis believes in justice above everything else however would he be willing to sacrifice himself for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daario's man Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 That would make him cool as fuck, an idiot but a cool idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I don't think the Baratheons in general cared much about their House, or at least not as much as the other houses. But yes I think he would sacrifice himself as long as he knows his daughter's still alive, or if given the choice sacrifice himself in her stead. She's just a kid and he even explicitly said that he knows he's going to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do I believe in King's blood? No. Do I believe in sacrificial blood magic? Yes. Here is my opinion on the matter: There is a powerful parallel between Stannis and Agamemnon... Given that both Kings killed stags and have to pay for it: Agamemnon killed a literal stag while he was hunting and Stannis killed Renly... So, Agamemnon had to kill his own daughter Iphigenia so his army could continue to Troy... According to the legend, under the tree which Iphigenia was killed a dragon has risen from the roots of the tree and has eaten a mother bird and her eight little birds Transferring the motif into Stannis' story: Since Stannis has to pay for the kinslaying he has committed, being one of the most atrocious crime in Westeros, Stanni will have to sacrifice his daughter... But, by doing that, a dragon will rise (metaphorical one - Jon) who will devour (take control) of Westeros and its nine regions (nine birds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Forgot to mention that I don't believe in King's Blood either but meant Stannis sacrificing himself in the conventional sense, like die for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Has Said Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It's kind of ridiculous to be honest. Even if Stannis does have a slim chance of gaining the Iron Throne during his lifetime, he has next to none of establishing a Baratheon dynasty that would last a minute after his death. Take Robert's experience as an example. You know King's Landing is always going to be a place of intrigue; the Game of Thrones never stops. You need to have your finger on the pulse of what's going on, and you need to have allies who will support your cause and if necessary find and root out any plots against your rule.[ETA: Robert had sufficient allies (Ned, Jon Arryn) to discover the Lannister plot against him, but they had insufficient strength to root it out, and Ned was thwarted by the plotting of Littlefinger which he hadn't discovered.] The one thing Stannis lacks more than anything else is loyal friends, for the simple reason that he seems utterly incapable of acknowledging anyone AS his friend, or he as theirs."Ned Stark is no friend of mine (even though he saved my life.)" "Kings don't have friends, only subjects," and so on..He's kept Shireen pretty much isolated for her life (as has her greyscale condition) so she's no better off in that regard. Whatever sacrifices are made or actions to GAIN the throne, to HOLD it for any length of time will be a far, far different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMoore4 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do I believe in King's blood? No. Do I believe in sacrificial blood magic? Yes. Here is my opinion on the matter: Can we you foresee a situation arising in which Stannis sacrifice's himself so that justice (the true Baratheon air ascending to the throne) can be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Can we you foresee a situation arising in which Stannis sacrifice's himself so that justice (the true Baratheon air ascending to the throne) can be done? At this point? No. The only Baratheon he would care about is Shireen, but that's a mix of him caring about her and because she would be queen by law, not because of House Baratheon. I'm not even sure how close he would get to throne at the current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Has Said Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do I believe in King's blood? No. Do I believe in sacrificial blood magic? Yes. Here is my opinion on the matter: Quote :bowdown: That is one sweet mythological parallel. EXcellent!! :bowdown: :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Can we you foresee a situation arising in which Stannis sacrifice's himself so that justice (the true Baratheon air ascending to the throne) can be done? No. Stannis considers him as worthy of the throne. I don't see why he would sacrifice himself. He is a true Baratheon. :bowdown: That is one sweet mythological parallel. EXcellent!! :bowdown: :cheers: Thank you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Whatever sacrifices are made or actions to GAIN the throne, to HOLD it for any length of time will be a far, far different matter. He still has Davos and his own King's Men. The North seems to warm up to him too. I think a lot of things about him are exaggerated especially because we were introduced to him by hearing a lot shit by nobles that didn't like him. That and he has a gloomy worldview himself. He reminds me of Stanley Kubrick in that his peers and people in the industry decried him as hermit, while he just lived an ordinary life and didn't participate in that whole Hollywood glamour bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMoore4 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 It's kind of ridiculous to be honest. Even if Stannis does have a slim chance of gaining the Iron Throne during his lifetime, he has next to none of establishing a Baratheon dynasty that would last a minute after his death. Take Robert's experience as an example. You know King's Landing is always going to be a place of intrigue; the Game of Thrones never stops. You need to have your finger on the pulse of what's going on, and you need to have allies who will support your cause and if necessary find and root out any plots against your rule. The one thing Stannis lacks more than anything else is loyal friends, for the simple reason that he seems utterly incapable of acknowledging anyone AS his friend, or he as theirs. "Ned Stark is no friend of mine (even though he saved my life.)" "Kings don't have friends, only subjects," and so on.. He's kept Shireen pretty much isolated for her life (as has her greyscale condition) so she's no better off in that regard. Whatever sacrifices are made or actions to GAIN the throne, to HOLD it for any length of time will be a far, far different matter. I agree that his sacrifice maybe misplaced as you say it won't guarantee a Dynasty however is would Stannis be capable of sacrificing himself to the fire on the chance that a member of the Baratheon family could be the monarch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMoore4 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 No. Stannis considers him as worthy of the throne. I don't see why he would sacrifice himself. He is a true Baratheon. Thank you... First of all i wish to to concur with the previous accolade. Excellent Mythology reference. You plus others are ow of the reasons I love this forum. However surly Stannis believes that his blood line is the true inheritance of the iron throne rather than he (Stannis) hmself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 However surly Stannis believes that his blood line is the true inheritance of the iron throne rather than he (Stannis) hmself Yes, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Stark Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think Stannis would sacrifice himself before he sacrifices Shireen, he's the onle one of her 2 parents that actually loves her, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 ^^^ Its more practical as well, sacrificing her to place him on the Throne leaves him with a short life-span and no heirs, what'd be the point? T'other way around, for the sake of law. Sacrificing Shireen for the war for Dawn though, well, if Stannis has a Nissa not named Davos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There's zero chance of him sacrificing Shireen, people try to do this Agamemnon parallel but I'm not having it. Stannis is many things but he loves his daughter and she's his heir, which he's had her groomed as. I could see him potentially sacrificing himself to save the realm/ help Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do I believe in King's blood? No. Do I believe in sacrificial blood magic? Yes. Here is my opinion on the matter: People bring up this Agamemnon link all the time and I'm just not having it. Stannis loves his daughter, she's his only heir and he expects to die himself soon. There would be no reasoning of Stannis sacrificing her that makes sense at all with his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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