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What if Joffrey was raised by someone else


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#1 T.C

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 07:48 AM

Lets say that after the cat incident, Robert becomes frightened and sends his son off to Ned or Tywin, how much different would have the boy ended up as opposed to being raised by Cersei?



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 07:50 AM

He would have been waaaay better. He still may have been an arrogant deuce, but he wouldn't be a complete sociopath.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:04 AM

I wish Jaime raised Joffrey. He would have been better parent than Robert and Cersei.

 

Jaime would have been a strict father who wouldn't have spoiled him too much like Cersei did. Also with Tyrion and Tywin around, Joffrey wouldn't dare to cause much trouble.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:10 AM

He would have been waaaay better. He still may have been an arrogant deuce, but he wouldn't be a complete sociopath.

I agree. The killing of the cats should have been a big red flag. The fact Cersei let it go made Joff's problems worse.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:22 AM

I get the feeling he was inherently arrogant but not bad by birth. Robert ignored him Cersei spoiled him and whispered greatness in his ear probably.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:29 AM

Could have sent him to Roose, he would have supported his talents. Made him into a fine young man.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:30 AM

I agree. The killing of the cats should have been a big red flag. The fact Cersei let it go made Joff's problems worse.

 

It could be still have been curiosity, but yeah I agree the reaction of either his parents didn't really help.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:56 AM

Could have sent him to Roose, he would have supported his talents. Made him into a fine young man.

Or Walder Frey :D



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:00 AM

Or Walder Frey :D

 

Then half of the Riverlands would be flooded with Joffrey bastards that look like rodents.


Edited by Stormland's Fury, 25 April 2014 - 09:00 AM.


#10 The Mad Wolf

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:05 AM

I wish Jaime raised Joffrey. He would have been better parent than Robert and Cersei.
 
Jaime would have been a strict father who wouldn't have spoiled him too much like Cersei did. Also with Tyrion and Tywin around, Joffrey wouldn't dare to cause much trouble.


Maybe post redemption Jaime

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:00 AM

It would depend on if he is just a product of a dysfunctional childhood, he had no positive male role model & definite momma issues, however Tommen & Myrcella are doing pretty well so he probably is a sociopath.

 

If he was, no amount of alternative parenting or intervention would have helped. Sociopaths are usually extremely clever & actually learn from therapy - there is no cure. They seem to have no emotions apart from a sense of being superior to others. Having said that - not all sociopaths are serial killers, Psychologists believe that without them we may never have evolved past the hunter gatherer stage in human history & they are a necessary part of our cultural & societal development. 

 

 

To see a difference compare him to say Cersei - her behaviour is cruel & calculating & probably also a result of a lack of love as a child. However it is clearly shown she loves her children & Jamie. Joffrey did not exhibit any redeeming qualities in any chapters that I read.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:03 AM

If Joffrey had grown up in Winterfell as Ned and Catelyn's ward, he might've actually turned out to be worthy of Sansa. Joffrey always wanted to be loved by Robert; with Eddard's influence, he might've actually learned to be more empathetic. It would probably have helped to have some older, bigger brothers to knock him down to size too.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:04 AM

Cersei love and children and her bro as her properties. Its not love. Like Joff liked Sandor as his dog and Ramsay loved the first Reek as a rape buddy necrophile manservant.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:07 AM

No reason why he wasn't at Casterly Rock with Tywin. Would've been ready to rule by the time Bob died.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:11 AM

If Joffrey had grown up in Winterfell as Ned and Catelyn's ward, he might've actually turned out to be worthy of Sansa. Joffrey always wanted to be loved by Robert; with Eddard's influence, he might've actually learned to be more empathetic. It would probably have helped to have some older, bigger brothers to knock him down to size too.

 

I am not entirely sure if one can learn empathy, but Ned would probably have restricted his sociopathy.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:19 AM

It would depend on if he is just a product of a dysfunctional childhood, he had no positive male role model & definite momma issues, however Tommen & Myrcella are doing pretty well so he probably is a sociopath.


Yeh I'm in the belief that it was Joffrey's parent figures that Caused him to fall. Robert ignored him and Cersei Coddeled him. Plus I think because Joff was Cersei's first, Tommen and Myrcela weren't coddeled as much.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:22 AM

Both Cersei and Tywin have sociopathic traits. No empathy, overinflated ego. To which degree is it genetic ?



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:30 AM

 

It could be still have been curiosity, but yeah I agree the reaction of either his parents didn't really help.

So, the adage is true: curiosity did kill the cat.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:32 AM

So, the adage is true: curiosity did kill the cat.

 

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:39 AM

If Robert paid a little attention to Joffrey, maybe forcing Joffrey to take up the sword with a skilled Master at Arms, perhaps Joffrey's psychopathy could be curbed to jousting and swordplay. It also would have curbed Cersei's influence over him. Cersei and Robert are both to blame for how awful he was, Robert for his neglect and Cersei for her involvement.