FudgeFaerie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 OK, this is my first time posting, and I’m new, so maybe someone’s already thought of this (although I searched and couldn’t find much specifically relating to this)…I have long been of the opinion that ‘the dragon must have three heads’ means that somehow there will be three people of Targaryen descent riding the dragons and possibly fulfilling the role of Azor Ahai/The Prince That Was Promised together. And I’m sure that one of them is Jaime Lannister. Given that Maester Aemon says that the dragon must have three heads, and the fact that the word ‘dragon’ is often used in reference to human Targs, as well as the whole thing about AA/TPTWP and interchangeable genders relating to dragons, it could be that the prophecy uses a Valyrian word with similar ambiguities. It would also neatly give a Targ rider for each dragon like Aegon and his sisters. If we accept that Jaime and Cersei are Aerys’ children (I won’t go into that theory as it’s already well-debated and, I understand, quite fiercely contended), then it’s highly possible that Jaime is one of the three, and here’s why:Viserion’s colours are cream and gold, the colours of the King’s Guard. Drogon is now Daenerys’ dragon for her life, and his red and black match her colours perfectly. The same can be said of Viserion’s and Jaime.‘Born amidst salt and smoke’. Daenerys’ rebirth on the Dothraki Sea with the shooting star, tears and funeral pyre fulfilled this part of the prophecy for her. If Jon is the other, then his stabbing amidst the tears of Bowen Marsh, the smoking wound and the starry banner would do it for him. As Jaime is now with Brienne and (presumably) the Brotherhood-Without-Banners, the situation could arise in which he has a similar experience, or is resurrected by a red priest sick of Lady Stoneheart’s control.In this situation Brienne might be forced to champion Stoneheart’s cause in a trial-by-combat against Jaime, who couldn’t defeat her having lost his sword hand. She would sacrifice herself to save him, allowing him to drive his valyrian steel sword through her chest a la Nissa Nissa. (If anyone’s worried about finding a corresponding ‘lion’ to temper the sword, then maybe Tyrek/another Lannister is somehow involved. Longshot but possible?) His dream in Casterley Rock, with Brienne and the flaming swords, at least points to the duel taking place at some point.So, to recap: 3 AAs, each a Targ, each with a dragon. One Daenerys, another Jamie, and the third possibly Jon or maybe someone else. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think Viserion is more likely to ridden by Tyrion. And before I forget my courtesies, welcome to the forum :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Wolf Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 That'd be awesome! But unlikely for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Interesting. Barristan also is a possible (temporary) rider for Viserion as he too wears the Kingsguard Queensguard colors. GRRM has said you don't have to be a Targ to be a head of the dragon, so Jamie (or Tyrion even) doesn't have to be a Targ at all. It can work without that. You should definitely check out the Jamie is AAR thread. It's got some interesting ideas about his rebirth and the smoke and salt. Occasionally I wonder about the line in AGoT in Jon's POV about how Jamie is what a king should look like, and whether that means Jamie will be king. But I always end up dismissing the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lee knot Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Eh, I don't really know if the three heads of the Dragon really mean three Targs or the three faces of Jon Snow. Ala Jon the Stark (Ice) Jon the Bastard (neutral) and Jon the Targaryen (fire). So it's not really three different people but more like one guy with Valyrian blood who has three different identities. I don't think Jaime is going to ride a Dragon. It just doesn't add up. He killed Dany's father. There is really like no damn way she is not going to kill him when she finds him. I actually did think of something while reading this post though. I think the first Dragon rider other then Dany will be Victarion. I figure someone has to and he makes decent sense. He has the Dragon horn and the ability to do quite well on a dragon. Also there was a Dany chapter when they talked about how the dragons only let one person control/ride them but most dragons lived longer then their riders so often times they would have multiple riders throughout their lifetime. I take this as foreshadowing that one of the dragon riders will die but not the dragon it'self. I think Victarion is either going to get Rhaegal or Viserion and use them with Dany in her invasion quite well but end up dying and someone else takes his place. I really doubt that person will be Jaime though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reek Havoc Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I seem to remember something about "a dragon can have many riders, but a man may only ride one dragon." (paraphrasing, of course.) I'll have to find the text before I can give any definite quote. So going by this there could be a few dragon riders, actually. ETA: That, for some reason, stuck out as significant to me. Maybe because at the time I was already trying to figure out who would be riding the dragons. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hmmmm, it is certainly possible and something to really think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 My crackpot theory is that the red priests are not interested in Dany as AAR, but in actual dragon blood, there is power on it. Edit: wrong thread... but lets play along. 3 treasons: once for blood, once for gold, and once for love: a dragon is going to die for his blood, another for gold (plenty of people will pay to rid the world of dragons) and the last for love, Dany's love for Daario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shireen Shireen Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 [snip] Welcome! Jaime seems an unlikely dragon rider to me. I don't think its enough to be a Targ/have Targ blood - look at Quentin. I think the dragon riders will need additional advantages - like being warg or having a great big horn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Eh, I don't really know if the three heads of the Dragon really mean three Targs or the three faces of Jon Snow. Ala Jon the Stark (Ice) Jon the Bastard (neutral) and Jon the Targaryen (fire). So it's not really three different people but more like one guy with Valyrian blood who has three different identities. I don't think Jaime is going to ride a Dragon. It just doesn't add up. He killed Dany's father. There is really like no damn way she is not going to kill him when she finds him. I actually did think of something while reading this post though. I think the first Dragon rider other then Dany will be Victarion. I figure someone has to and he makes decent sense. He has the Dragon horn and the ability to do quite well on a dragon. Also there was a Dany chapter when they talked about how the dragons only let one person control/ride them but most dragons lived longer then their riders so often times they would have multiple riders throughout their lifetime. I take this as foreshadowing that one of the dragon riders will die but not the dragon it'self. I think Victarion is either going to get Rhaegal or Viserion and use them with Dany in her invasion quite well but end up dying and someone else takes his place. I really doubt that person will be Jaime though. GRRM has said that Dany is one of the heads of the dragon. That means the other two are other people. He also said the third head wouldn't have to be a Targaryen. Well if Dany is one head and is a Targ, and the second is a Targ, but the third isn't, we're definitely looking at three different people. Remember that the three-headed dragon comes from Aegon I's sigil and the three heads represented him and his two sisters--three different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reek Havoc Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I seem to remember something about "a dragon can have many riders, but a man may only ride one dragon." (paraphrasing, of course.) I'll have to find the text before I can give any definite quote. So going by this there could be a few dragon riders, actually. ETA: That, for some reason, stuck out as significant to me. Maybe because at the time I was already trying to figure out who would be riding the dragons. lol Found it! DWD - Quentyn asks Dany if she's going to ride her dragons: “You … you mean to ride them?” “One of them. All I know of dragons is what my brother told me when I was a girl, and some I read in books, but it is said that even Aegon the Conqueror never dared mount Vhagar or Meraxes, nor did his sisters ride Balerion the Black Dread. Dragons live longer than men, some for hundreds of years, so Balerion had other riders after Aegon died … but no rider ever flew two dragons.” So going by this, plus the death rate in ASoIaF, I'd say there's a good chance that there could be a few dragon riders... maybe Jaime will be one of them? :dunno: Stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 More likely to fight Viserion I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acosta Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Jamie has to be the valonqar. Can't fulfill every prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FudgeFaerie Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 I seem to remember something about "a dragon can have many riders, but a man may only ride one dragon." (paraphrasing, of course.) I'll have to find the text before I can give any definite quote. So going by this there could be a few dragon riders, actually. ETA: That, for some reason, stuck out as significant to me. Maybe because at the time I was already trying to figure out who would be riding the dragons. lol Yeah, it stuck out to me too. I think it also sticks out because now we know that Dany can only ride Drogon, so the other two are probably off-limits to her as rides. Interesting. Barristan also is a possible (temporary) rider for Viserion as he too wears the Kingsguard Queensguard colors. GRRM has said you don't have to be a Targ to be a head of the dragon, so Jamie (or Tyrion even) doesn't have to be a Targ at all. It can work without that. You should definitely check out the Jamie is AAR thread. It's got some interesting ideas about his rebirth and the smoke and salt. Occasionally I wonder about the line in AGoT in Jon's POV about how Jamie is what a king should look like, and whether that means Jamie will be king. But I always end up dismissing the idea. I will do, thanks! Yeah, I think Robert may have looked like a king when he first claimed the throne, but ppl don't always get the job they look best for. Still, I like the apparent arc Jamie's on, he seems to be maturing. I think Viserion is more likely to ridden by Tyrion. And before I forget my courtesies, welcome to the forum :cheers: What makes you think that? It's quite interesting. And thank you :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 What makes you think that? It's quite interesting.Check out the link. It provides some foreshadowing for Tyrion getting Viserion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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