The Bittersteel Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 This is something that I just don't understand all that well. Many fans of the books seem to despise them but Wilas, Garlan and Margaery all seem talented, attractive and a good deal nicer than some of the scumbags that infest Westeros. Even Mace has a certain charm, being a bit of a buffoon but being kind to his children and a popular liege lord. So what's with all the hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thornhart Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Plot Armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 They're jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bittersteel Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Plot Armor. By that argument shouldn't Daenarys and Jon Snow have their fair share of haters too? Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thornhart Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 By that argument shouldn't Daenarys and Jon Snow have their fair share of haters too? Oh wait... Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehn Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I love the Tyrell's, but the hatred is probably because they're the only house we never really "see" while still being prominent in the plot to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreyWickedMagician Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 They are too greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Maybe because they are on top of the game right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blow My Horn Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Shortsighted flip floppers. Picked the wrong side both times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Shortsighted flip floppers. Picked the wrong side both times. This. Also they let KL starve when they decided to back the 5th in line (or 2nd legitimate, if they suspected about Joff, Myrcella, and Tommen). Also their sigil. I don't understand why anyone routes for the Greyjoys, so I chalk it up to the kraken. Guessing it's hard to really rally behind a rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon's Bane Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I like them. Olenna is really awesome, Loras, Willas and Garlan as well. Margaery, I'm not so sure about. She's either the awesomest of all or just a stupid vain child. And I don't really see them as hated. They are (albeit only superficially) good to the small folk which goes a long way in the reception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Uhm.... they are more in the middle table in the hate league. Targaryens, Lannisters and Baratheon among the big families are the real contenders for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 And I don't really see them as hated. They are (albeit only superficially) good to the small folk which goes a long way in the reception. I'd agree. They're just relatively opaque in the books. Some people may be irritated with, but I don't think it's hate like we seen directed at other characters/houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon's Bane Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 This. Also they let KL starve when they decided to back the 5th in line (or 2nd legitimate, if they suspected about Joff, Myrcella, and Tommen). Also their sigil. I don't understand why anyone routes for the Greyjoys, so I chalk it up to the kraken. Guessing it's hard to really rally behind a rose. While the starvation is very true, it is too subtle for the average reader. I didn't really catch it the first time myself. Towards the end they seem to be those who fight the hunger. Roses are better than random tough animals. "I'm a wolf!" - "I'm a lion!" - "I'm a dragon!" - "I'm a fucking rose, go fuck yourselves!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Uhm.... they are more in the middle table in the hate league. Targaryens, Lannisters and Baratheon among the big families are the real contenders for the title.It's Lannister>Baratheon>Targaryen>Tyrell in terms of most hated to least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 They're pretty neutral in my opinion. They're ambitious, even a bit ruthless, but not way out there with the Lannisters, Boltons, or Greyjoys. What does that make them - morally equivalent to the Martells, or just a shade worse than the Tullys ? If the Tyrells generate some hate, in my opinion, it is probably from the way they operate - the always-charming, tad arrogant and superficial style. (And how much of that is really Mace Tyrell dragging down the average?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viserys - The last dragon Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I dislike them because of Mace, and how he acted during RR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 While the starvation is very true, it is too subtle for the average reader. I didn't really catch it the first time myself. Towards the end they seem to be those who fight the hunger. Roses are better than random tough animals. "I'm a wolf!" - "I'm a lion!" - "I'm a dragon!" - "I'm a fucking rose, go fuck yourselves!" Agreed...I personally love them, (can't decide between them and the Martells though), and I rather like the idea that their sigil isn't an animal. Animals die eventually, but roses can endure. They may not thrive in the winter, but as long as they're tended to, they endure and grow strong again each spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironside Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Because everything seems to be going there way, but there sitution isn't as stable as it could, so it could all come crumbling down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambi76 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I will go with paranoia (yeah, the no POV thing is a big fat problem). People have been to long in Cersei's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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