iheartseverus Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Ran, I wonder if it would be possible to add a 'Season Five - Uncharted Territory' sub-section (sub-forum? Whatever it's called). A section where users can create new threads for different topics. We're all aware by now that the show is moving into Uncharted Territory through the rest of Season 4, and will be moving even farther into it in Season 5. In fact, much of the bookreader speculation at this point for many different aspects of the ongoing show involves discussion about what will be covered in the remainder of Season 4, and what will have to be moved into Season 5 and more importantly, how the show will handle upcoming events, given the show's willingness to diverge from book canon. We are all at a new point now, a place none of us has ever been before. This latter half of Season 4, where we recognize clearly that the books and the show are two different entities. That's distressing for some, I know, but its exciting for many others. (Feed me both! ) I think a 'Season Five - Uncharted Territory' section would allow us to continue to discuss and speculate long after Season 4 is over and done. But I believe that just a single thread (in General for instance) won't be adequate since there will be so many different aspects to discuss. A sub-forum in which users can create threads (some of which will wither and fade away, of course if they're not of interest to the wider community) gives us all. space, to look ahead, in all directions. Perhaps, a couple very-tuned-in bookreaders/show lovers could start the sub-forum with a few relevant threads, and others can take it from there. Could this be possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany's Silver Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Purrty please (with a basket of kittens), Ran! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Well, I am not too sure that we need Uncharted sub-section for Season 5, because once S05 is aired we would be having two different sub-sections and it might be confusing. I do get the problem and seriousness of it, but perhaps leaving it to General GOT is better option? Perhaps we could create a task force that would deal with certain issues and collaborate between themselves? I also think, that this site should start raising awareness about importance of the books. I considered opening a thread about why is it crucial to remain loyal to the book material even though we find out what is happening in the series. I would like to start a "campaign" of pointing out that no matter whether TV show will give us what happens next, we need to know how it will happen. These books are not about, or not solely about who gets IT, who will be Hand etc, but the journey of the POV characters we grew to love and hate. Not to mention the thousands characters in the books that are omitted by the show. We need a strategy how to control possible hysteria if and when the time comes for the show to overcome the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany's Silver Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Perhaps the "uncharted territory" subforum could be locked once S5 starts? That might minimize the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartseverus Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Well, I am not too sure that we need Uncharted sub-section for Season 5, because once S05 is aired we would be having two different sub-sections and it might be confusing. I think that once Season 5 begins (next year) the Uncharted Territory sub-section could simply be closed. Meanwhile, it provides many book lovers/show lovers a...place, a home, throughout the long wait til next Spring to discuss and speculate. Seems that could work just fine. Ninja'd! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssalix Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 This would be really awesome, Ran, please think about it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany's Silver Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 We promise to behave, Ran, while our theories gestate and are (perhaps) born when S5 begins. [Of course, if we're really lucky, TWOW will be birthed first! :drool:] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Perhaps the "uncharted territory" subforum could be locked once S5 starts? That might minimize the confusion. I think that once Season 5 begins (next year) the Uncharted Territory sub-section could simply be closed. Meanwhile, it provides many book lovers/show lovers a...place, a home, throughout the long wait til next Spring to discuss and speculate. Seems that could work just fine. Ninja'd! :P Yeah, it might work... I just think that those of us who are both avid book and TV fans should point out the differences in the two medias and that show could never replace book by pointing numerous examples from the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany's Silver Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Yeah, it might work... I just think that those of us who are both avid book and TV fans should point out the differences in the two medias and that show could never replace book by pointing numerous examples from the show. Oh, the show will never replace the books for me (hence my salivating over the thought of having a copy of TWOW in my hands within the next year - which is far too optimistic, I know!), but I think it would be a good idea to keep this stuff separate from the General ASoIaF forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartseverus Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Yeah, it might work... I just think that those of us who are both avid book and TV fans should point out the differences in the two medias and that show could never replace book by pointing numerous examples from the show. With respect, shouldn't that discussion take place in the book section, rather than the show section? And I agree, it would be an interesting discussion--there is much depth, huge richness in the books that will never make it to the screen. But, that is of importance to book fans, less so to show fans, I think. There are many new-ish users on this board who are show-fans only, others who read the first or the first couple of books, but are much more invested in the show. That's just how it is. I believe we're looking at two different issues here--or at least, two different perspectives on one issue. I would like (love) to have a show-only sub-forum to discuss where the show has taken us thus far and what we expect to see coming up. You want to see a discussion of the importance of the books' rich tapestries vs. the show's 'surface' handling of the book material. Are not both feasible? I guess I just don't see how a 'Season Five-Uncharted Territory' sub-forum, in the show section, for people to discuss the show, Season Five, in any way impacts your idea/plan for an in-depth discussion of the differences between the show and the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 With respect, shouldn't that discussion take place in the book section, rather than the show section? And I agree, it would be an interesting discussion--there is much depth, huge richness in the books that will never make it to the screen. But, that is of importance to book fans, less so to show fans, I think. There are many new-ish users on this board who are show-fans only, others who read the first or the first couple of books, but are much more invested in the show. That's just how it is. I believe we're looking at two different issues here--or at least, two different perspectives on one issue. I would like (love) to have a show-only sub-forum to discuss where the show has taken us thus far and what we expect to see coming up. You want to see a discussion of the importance of the books' rich tapestries vs. the show's 'surface' handling of the book material. Are not both feasible? I guess I just don't see how a 'Season Five-Uncharted Territory' sub-forum, in the show section, for people to discuss the show, Season Five, in any way impacts your idea/plan for an in-depth discussion of the differences between the show and the books. Well, the TV subforum is the decided subforum for all show vs book related. So, we may have this debate, but the mods decided it long ago, and we all stick to it. It is not the issue where it belongs General ASOIAF or General GoT for we already know that. As for show subforum for show-users only, I imagine we already have that. That is why we have all those [spoilerS] threads to differentiate those who solely watch TV and those who read books too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartseverus Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 ^ So, if I understand it, your bottom line is there should not be a sub-forum for users to discuss what the show is going to do for Season 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 The bottom line is that I am not certain about necessity of the sub-forum. It is not bad idea or anything like, but I was thinking more in terms of organization than necessity. It would be good and productive to discuss about it, but whether we need a sub-forum for that is organizational issue I can't answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 This is actually something worth pondering. A theory subforum for the show itself would be pretty wiggy. I see mladen's point though cuz there will be subforums for every episode of season 5 so it may not be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany's Silver Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I don't think we need a subforum for each episode, but rather for the intervening months of waiting between the end of S4 until the start of S5. Any confusion between the two areas of discussion could be solved by locking the subforum when S5 begins. The theories as to the series' uncharted territory can still be referred to, but would then be discussed in light of what happens each week in that episode's list of topics (in addition to [book & Show Spoilers] in a thread's title, a [(Previously) Uncharted Territory] tag could be added to a new thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 There's an Alex Graves interview pertinent to this thread. I don't have a link to it (nor can I post/paste links anyways) but he's quoted as saying that season 5 will still stay within the books, meaning what is published. Graves won't even be involved in season 5 of course, since he's taking a break to spend time with his family, but he knows how the show will play out because he thought it was necessary to learn such info in order to direct things properly with all that is to come in mind. In some ways s5 may be truer to the books than s4, because as we can see, they are stretching material and inventing shit in order to line up big ASOS events so that they'll play out in the later season instead of earlier. Whereas in s5 they'll probably be including events throughout AFFC and ADWD and inventing things only in order to transition and flow between these events. I think season 6 is where the major departures from the books will have to begin. Unless of course TWOW actually comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I think it sounds like a good idea, providing the sunforum is closed once S5 actually airs. Discussing the path D+D will take "adapting" the source material is one of the most interesting discussion points about the show for me. So it'd be good to have a dedicate spot for that sort of chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hath4 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 There's an Alex Graves interview pertinent to this thread. I don't have a link to it (nor can I post/paste links anyways) but he's quoted as saying that season 5 will still stay within the books, meaning what is published. Graves won't even be involved in season 5 of course, since he's taking a break to spend time with his family, but he knows how the show will play out because he thought it was necessary to learn such info in order to direct things properly with all that is to come in mind. In some ways s5 may be truer to the books than s4, because as we can see, they are stretching material and inventing shit in order to line up big ASOS events so that they'll play out in the later season instead of earlier. Whereas in s5 they'll probably be including events throughout AFFC and ADWD and inventing things only in order to transition and flow between these events. I think season 6 is where the major departures from the books will have to begin. Unless of course TWOW actually comes out. I agree the problem this year was they wanted to have the big climaxs from a storm of swords at the end of the season, which meant they would have to stertch those arcs out. ie crasters keep. d and d know hoe everthing ends, plus they will get wow long befor we get it, though they probably are getting it chapter by chapter. some wow ie battle of fire bran, will probably be in season 5, but most of that book will be season 6. I think defently by then wow will be out. season 7 worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartseverus Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 There's an Alex Graves interview pertinent to this thread. I don't have a link to it (nor can I post/paste links anyways) but he's quoted as saying that season 5 will still stay within the books, meaning what is published. Graves won't even be involved in season 5 of course, since he's taking a break to spend time with his family, but he knows how the show will play out because he thought it was necessary to learn such info in order to direct things properly with all that is to come in mind. . ^ Like he did with the Jaime-Cersei sept scene. DIrector Michelle MacLaren had this to say: She also teases that she is excited to see where they will take things, as the show is starting to move beyond the books “more and more.” But, both directors comments are rather beside the point in my request. I'm asking for a place where we can discuss and speculate how the show is likely to adapt material through Season 5. What scenes do we think it's vital be brought to the screen? Which characters and/or scenes might be cut, or could be cut while still keeping the over-all story on track? What new locations might we see, and which locations might be cut altogether, etc etc. I, for one, would find it a fascinating place to read and listen to what other members think is in store for next year. Obviously, our views differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Perhaps the "uncharted territory" subforum could be locked once S5 starts? That might minimize the confusion. I back this suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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