Newstar Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I'm transcribing the dialogue in the Jojen/Bran/Meera scene leading up to the burning hand, because it seems like it might be significant and yet another instance of the show spoiling the books. Jojen: Meera and I, even Hodor...we're only here to guide you. He's waiting for you. You have to find it. YOU have to make it.Bran: We will.Jojen (to Bran): This...this isn't the end. Not for you. Not yet.Meera: How...will we know the end?Jojen (looking at his burning hand): You'll know. "The end" in the context of the conversation seems to mean "death," and Meera is asking Jojen how they'll know "the end," which seems in context to mean when they'll die. That's when Jojen looks at his burning hand and says "You'll know." Does this imply that Jojen dies by burning and thus put the Jojenpaste theory to bed permanently? Does it imply that Meera and/or Bran will die by burning, since Jojen sees the burning hand in reference to Meera's question "How will we [including Bran and herself] know the end?"? Does it imply something else? ETA for correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Fire is inevitable in the battle against the White Walkers. Perhaps some or all of Bran & Co die during the big battle, and fire is involved in one of their deaths somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go joff go Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Honestly it . Was sufficiently vague and ambivalent not to be bothersome. I was more interested in his vision of bran. Anyone notice how they framed the shot so when it was sunny bran was smiling and when it was dark he was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P. frontalis chiripepe Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Honestly it . Was sufficiently vague and ambivalent not to be bothersome. I was more interested in his vision of bran. Anyone notice how they framed the shot so when it was sunny bran was smiling and when it was dark he was not. I agree, it was vague and ambiguous. A burning hand could have just symbolized anything shocking and unexpected. Although I don't think, if I remember correctly, that there is anything in the books that hint at seers also being impervious to fire, lol. Maybe Jojen is a Targaryen secretly. Maybe we are looking at the next King here. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeturKemur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Jojen: Meera and I, you and Hodor...we're only here to guide you. He's waiting for you. You have to find it. YOU have to make it. Bran: We will. Am I the only one who found this line particularly odd? "Meera and I, you and Hodor" seems to suggest the four of them are there to guide Bran but that would include Bran himself, which doesn't make much sense in context with all the "you". It could be bad writing or I could be interpreting it entirely wrong but it sounded strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Trell Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I took it to mean Jojen will become a wight and truly end when he is set on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion_is_Omar Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 My interpretation was that Bran will become a tree. Hodor, Meera and Jojen will die in the road maybe because the dragons will burn all the lands beyond the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Am I the only one who found this line particularly odd? "Meera and I, you and Hodor" seems to suggest the four of them are there to guide Bran but that would include Bran himself, which doesn't make much sense in context with all the "you". It could be bad writing or I could be interpreting it entirely wrong but it sounded strange. I heard it as "even Hodor", but I could be wrong :dunno: Honestly it . Was sufficiently vague and ambivalent not to be bothersome. I was more interested in his vision of bran. Anyone notice how they framed the shot so when it was sunny bran was smiling and when it was dark he was not. Yeah, that whole sunny weirwood/hill thing looks way less sinister than how I pictured it in the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 My first thought was Jon and his burnt hand? I don't think Jon has anything to do with it though. I was just on the look out for R+L=J hints all episode, especially with the 'your Uncle Brandon' name drop...no Lyanna, though. :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeGrownCrown Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 The small blue flames on the corners were an interesting touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I heard it as "even Hodor", but I could be wrong :dunno: Yeah, that whole sunny weirwood/hill thing looks way less sinister than how I pictured it in the book same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeturKemur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yeah, it makes more sense for it be "even Hodor". I'll listen for it in my rewatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Blackbeard Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I don't think this is the show spoiling the book. Just the show trying to be cool. I wonder how many Unsullied now believe that Jojen can summon fire out of his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivianne Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 "Even Hodor" for sure.....It sounded like he was expendable and it bummed me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yeah, it makes more sense for it be "even Hodor". I'll listen for it in my rewatch. I think it is "even Hodor," on rewatch. His voice kind of catches on it, making it sound like "you and." I edited the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 he will die by Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 "Even Hodor" for sure.....It sounded like he was expendable and it bummed me out Really? To me, it sounds cute, like "yes, even Hodor has a role to play in helping you achieve your destiny". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daenerys Must Die Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Was waiting for a Jojenpaste reference while he was looking at his hand pre-burning vision.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acosta Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 All it made me think is Jojen will die in the north before the Others are defeated, so his body will need to be burned. He saw that just as he saw Karl's body being burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 My first thought was Jon and his burnt hand? I don't think Jon has anything to do with it though. I was just on the look out for R+L=J hints all episode, especially with the 'your Uncle Brandon' name drop...no Lyanna, though. :frown5: I dont think the show are going to put any hints, I think they want it to be a shock to the viewers. My only issue is there has been nothing to very little said of Rhaegar, one of my unsullied friends doesnt even know who Rhaegar is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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