How many of you honestly believe the Stannis/Renly situation would've counted as kinslaying?
This goes either way....Stannis being slain by Renly's army, and obviously Renly's assassination. I really don't think it's kinslaying since it's being committed by a third party, either one of Renly's soldiers, or Stannis's dark assassin. Since neither of them were willing to negotiate or compromise it came to that, and it's not kinslaying either way.
You could even parallel it to Cersei trying to get Tyrion killed on the Blackwater by the Kingsguard...no one ever brings that up as kinslaying that much.
There's plenty of real life examples of "kinslaying" such as Elizabath I who had her half-sister Mary executed (so I recall), so it's not like it's an unprecedented thing to do.
Depends on how one looks at the kinslaying taboo in Westeros, and how one looks at Renly's death and the details we have on it.
Bael had a son with a lord Stark's only daughter. He would not kill his own son in battle, due to the taboo of kinslaying. His son killed him, unknowing that he was killing his father. His mother saw her son entering Winterfell with his father's head on a spear, and killed herself by jumping from a tower. That Stark would later die at the hands of Boltons.
Think for a moment that in this story, the gods blame someone for kiiling his own kin without his grandfather, his mother, or hell, even his own father telling him mid-battle sometihng along the lines of "I am your father". He gets fucked and is flayed by Boltons for doing what he thought a lord should do - defend his realm nd people against an invasion of a hostile force.
Now think how stupid this story is. Set aside for the moment the retarded notion that someone can simply hide in the crypts for 9 months, with a pregnant woman, without running out of food or water, without seeing the sun, needing to shit where you live, without those 9 months falling on some date that the lord of Winterfell goes to the crypts to place flowers or something on this grave or that one. If Bael's son is lord, that means that his grandfather is already dead. If the Stark lord who was fathered by Bael did not know the tale of how he was born, nobody but Bael and the mother know. If no one but Bael and the Mother knew, who the hell would spread that tale later and make a song of it, if the mother killed herself right after seeing Bael's head on a spear, and Bael did not tell his own son before he died? It's a made up story with a built-in logical fallacy. A society that is built around the family structure creats a taboo about killing your own kin. It's passed down for generations with "proof" in the shape of song and legend. It's still bullshit.
Now compare Karstark and Theon. Rickard Karstark calls Robb a kinslayer for killing his own kin, regardless of it being just. This fits with the old and new gods being dicks and punishing people for killing a person who deserves it, but has blood ties to the person who orders/carrys out the killing. But Theon is not a Stark by blood. Theon is a Greyjoy, and was a prisoner in Winterfell. Was raised there, learned to read and do sums, went to ride and hunt with the boys, but he was still a prisoner. So, blood ties is not the only thing that makes you eligible to be kinslayer, it's also if you are considered as good as family. After Theon "kills" his own kin, he is no longer considered kin. Men who are sworn to the Starks wish to kill him. Starks wish to kill him.
By the same logic, if someone is declaring that he is about to kill who he believes are his nephew (at least, if not all three), his nephew's mother (as Cersei points out to Robert after Tyrion is kidnapped, his kin by law), and later his brother as well, is that person still considered family to the (twincest) trio and to Stannis?
Stannis claims to have been asleep at the time. He brings Mel and Devan as two people who saw him asleep at the time. He dreams of Renly's death later, and remembers details he could not see (if we interpret a woman screaming as Brienne), which implies that he saw through the shadow. We have no idea if he was directing the shadow, or if he was in spectator mode. Considering that Mel had to pass Storm's End's magical defenses to use the shadow, and Stannis does not mention similar visions regarding Penrose, one could assume that the shadow operates by itself or by Mel (seems most likely, considering that she is a SHADOWBINDER. Binding shadows is literally in her title). The magical defenses of SE likely stopped Stannis from getting feedback, the same way they prevent Mel's control or even the shadow itself from entering to SE.
If Stannis is not aware that he is in fact part of Renly's death, if Mel, a shadowbinder, binds a shadow to her will and tries to force a future, using Stannis' life force as fuel, is being fuel for someone elses' kill the same as killing by yourself?