Tony Stark of Winterfell Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Let me start by saying I have no experience with any martial form whatsoever. In a fight between a guy with 2 knives and a guy with a Valyrian steel bastard sword(1.5 times the length of a regular sword), shouldn't the guy fighting with the sword be able to easily beat the knife wielder? Karl may have been an expert knife fighter, but Jon was trained in a castle by a master of arms. The reach of a bastard sword is quite large. Am I wrong in thinking that the fight shouldn't have lasted long enough for Karl to spit on Jon's face? The fight was in a rather cramped area, but it looked like there was sufficient maneuvering room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Hector Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yes!! you are totally right. Just based on reach alone, a skilled swordsman would at least be able to maintain distance between him and the person with the knives. Plus, it would be easy to hit the person with the knives the moment he comes that near with the intention to stab you, because the moment he tries to strike he loses his defense. That is an important part of swordplay and it's the main reason why in a fight, the sword wielders never tried to connect a massive hit, because in order to do that you need to get the sword very far from your body, leaving you awfully vulnerable. It was a very exciting fight scene, either ways!! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamTywin Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 While Jon had advantages in reach, it's not so simple. Real melee fighting (at least in western traditions) occurs at closer ranges than we see in movies. It's conceivable that a fighter like Karl with this kind of rough and tumble back ground would be an expert at closing range and getting around heavier weapons. His tactics would be likely to throw Jon off. Likewise, he would probably be more comfortable using the sort of environment in which the fight took place to his advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmewdog Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Sure ordinarily the knife wielder would be at a disadvantage. But this knife-wielder is Karl F'ing Tanner! He could take ANY KNIGHT ANY TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
of man and wolf Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 fookin cunts in steel plate...fookin cowards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beric175 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Jon Snow learned how to fight dirty from Karl, which helped a lot once he fought the Magnar in episode 9 and it was a nice reference to Biter's death in the books when he stabbed him through the mouth, which makes me think Brienne's story will end significantly different from her book story. Anyone who has read AFFC knows that her story is one of the slower parts of that book so I have no objection to them changing it. I find it interesting that to deliver justice Jon had to kill members of the NW, which puts an ironic twist on their victory because they had to kill their 'brothers' in order to save starngers. It also was a rare victory for some of the more unambiguously good characters on the show, which is rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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