P. frontalis chiripepe Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Arya showed what appeared to be genuine compassion towards Clegane this episode. It doesn't fit with her leaving him to die soon, instead of giving him a clean death. How do you think they will have this play out? Will he wrong her in some way again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north of the wall Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I kind of got the impression while reading that her "hating"him was an excuse she told herself for not giving him mercy but I felt as if the real reason was because she didn't want to actually lose another person she had grown close too. Just what I thought but I got have been making that up for myself because I like him. So not really sureETA: coz I'm on my phone and pressed reply to early. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envie Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I kind of got the impression while reading that her "hating"him was an excuse she told herself for not giving him mercy but I felt as if the real reason was because she didn't wan It's all part of the 'mockingbird' theme that played out between a lot of the characters this episode. Everyone was playing a 'part' despite their true feelings. Arya has compassion as much as Sandor Clegane himself does - it's just buried under layers and layers of resentment and bitter desire for revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpin Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Maybe Sandor will "force her" to do it, by reminding her what he did in the past and why is his name on her list. Because he doesn't want her pity and wants to die alone maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorn Gottes Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I hope so much they will hear the news about Sansa's marriage to the Imp before Sandor "dies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpin Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I hope so much they will hear the news about Sansa's marriage to the Imp before Sandor "dies" He won't really die? That's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Is A Man Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think the scene in this episode where The Hound does a mercy killing of that old wounded guy is a precursor for how they are going to handle the end of the Arya-Hound relationship. Yeah, in the books she just leaves him to die from his wounds but given that they seem closer in the tv show and the fact that she was helping him with his wounds in this episode, I think we are going to see Arya mercy-kill The Hound rather than walk away from him and leave him to die in anguish. That's just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorn Gottes Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Yeah, in the books she just leaves him to die from his wounds but given that they seem closer in the tv show and the fact that she was helping him with his wounds in this episode, I think we are going to see Arya mercy-kill The Hound rather than walk away from him and leave him to die in anguish. She helps him with his wounds in the books too :) In the end their relationship was sort of "caring" in the books too, and she left him out of her list... I agree with this: I kind of got the impression while reading that her "hating"him was an excuse she told herself for not giving him mercy but I felt as if the real reason was because she didn't wan she didn't want him to die :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi No Yokan Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I really, really love that they've expanded on their relationship in the show. Their scene where Sandor actually tells his story to Arya, then allows her to treat his wound, was so sweet. It's not just a grudging mutual respect anymore, there's a definite amount of empathy and sympathy there underneath all the "armour". As mentioned, this mercy kill is definitely setting up for their parting. I think The Hound will tell Arya to kill him just like in the book, but she'll refuse because she wants him to live rather than out of spite. I think she'll treat his wound, and leave him out of frustration because he wants to roll over and die - and hopes that her goading will make him get up and follow her. It'll be interesting, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose Seal Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think they're purposefully misleading the viewer to believe Arya will give the Hound the gift of mercy but they will have a spat and she will live him to die, for her own very complicated reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Whiskers Outlaws Beet Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think she'll treat his wound, and leave him out of frustration because he wants to roll over and die - and hopes that her goading will make him get up and follow her. It'll be interesting, regardless.That would be just grand.My most lingering thought about their scenes was Biter's surprise cameo. And then there was Rorge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 That would be just grand.My most lingering thought about their scenes was Biter's surprise cameo. And then there was Rorge... Agreed! I thought they'd pop in on Brienne and Pod, because Gwendoline Christie talked about how Brienne bites off someone's ear this episode. Who would even be left for her to do that to? No Bloody Mummers in the show, and now Biter and Rorge are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Exactly! Who's gonna attack Brienne and Pod now? I guess it could be just a random group of bandits or something like that. If it wasn't for Gwendoline talking about biting someone's ear off, I would have suspected them just stumbling up on the Brotherhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ache Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Any chance it could be Sandor? He did lose what was left of his ear in the books and after his talk about the Lannisters having a bounty on his head, I wonder if he will run into Brienne. With her looking for him, Arya and Sansa and her being a Lannister associate attended by Tyrions squire, I could see things getting ugly quickly if they did meet. I hope it doesn't happen that way, but the show does throw characters together who never met in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Island Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The Hound-Arya relationship is so sweet and touching in the show. I can't see Arya giving him the gift of mercy because I firmly believe that Sandor is the Novice/Gravedigger. She'll leave him to die, but I don't know how it will play out.To be honest, even if she killed him on the show I'd still believe in the Novice/Gravedigger theory. In the books he might play a minor part they decide to cut out because it's not important enough for the show, so he could die on the show but live in the books. I do not want to believe he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yushkevitch Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I never liked Sandor's fate in the books or how the relationship between him and Arya ended. It seemed .. weak and almost lazy? For such a strong character he deserved something more powerful and/or dramatic. In any case I have a feeling the writers feel the same way and this duo won't follow the same path as in the books. Not sure what they'll do but her leaving him to die isn't going to cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 If they wanna end the show after 7 season, they will need to cut some stuff out. And if The Hound doesn't play a big part in TWoW and ADoS, I could see them kill him off now instead of having him become the gravedigger. Brienne is likely to meet Lady Stoneheart this season, so she won't stumble upon the gravedigger either. Right now, I feel that there is a strong possibility we'll be seeing the last of The Hound this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiegirl Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I wasn't really moved by the Hound's story about his brother. McCann played it well enough although personally I think Maisie was more effective in that scene, but I just thought 'So What!'. I mean this is the show of hard luck stories. Maybe if he was having this conversation with a Bronn or someone, but to have it with a girl who has lost pretty much everything just felt like he was trying to one up her pain, a pain he has never once on the show acknowledged she even has. If he honestly thinks a sword is a fair replacement for everything she lost, then Biter must have accidentally swallowed his brain when he bit him. That said, I enjoyed the rest of the Arya/Hound scenes and I'm really not sure where they are going to leave them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless Man Friday Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I kind of got the impression while reading that her "hating"him was an excuse she told herself for not giving him mercy but I felt as if the real reason was because she didn't want to actually lose another person she had grown close too. Just what I thought but I got have been making that up for myself because I like him. So not really sureETA: coz I'm on my phone and pressed reply to early. lolI got the same impression when reading the Book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igrewupinKL Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I wasn't really moved by the Hound's story about his brother. McCann played it well enough although personally I think Maisie was more effective in that scene, but I just thought 'So What!'. I mean this is the show of hard luck stories. Maybe if he was having this conversation with a Bronn or someone, but to have it with a girl who has lost pretty much everything just felt like he was trying to one up her pain, a pain he has never once on the show acknowledged she even has. If he honestly thinks a sword is a fair replacement for everything she lost, then Biter must have accidentally swallowed his brain when he bit him. That said, I enjoyed the rest of the Arya/Hound scenes and I'm really not sure where they are going to leave them. I don't think it was about how much pain they've suffered, it was more like 'at least you had family who loved you' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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