Cassidy McDonough Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I just started reading the first book in the series and I’m a few chapters in and I theorize Jon was actually Eddard Stark’s sister's child. Like when he found her in her bed all bloody, it because she had given birth, and when she made him promise, the promise was to not tell anyone Jon was her child……just guessing. The years match up though, because Lyanna dies about 14-15 years before the books begin....and Jon is 14 at the beginning of the series. Plus it would make more sense that Ned treats it like a touchy subject. Anyways.....just wanted to know if anyone agrees with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkfaithful85 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Don't post this on every single board...if you have just started the first book stay away from this forum...it will ruin the books for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 -__- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reek Havoc Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Seriously. Read first, then comment. And when I say read, I mean all of the books. ALL OF THEM. Honestly, it's just a good idea. ETA: But! Very observant on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Fire and Blood Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I just started reading the first book in the series and I’m a few chapters in and I theorize Jon was actually Eddard Stark’s sister's child. Like when he found her in her bed all bloody, it because she had given birth, and when she made him promise, the promise was to not tell anyone Jon was her child……just guessing. The years match up though, because Lyanna dies about 14-15 years before the books begin....and Jon is 14 at the beginning of the series. Plus it would make more sense that Ned treats it like a touchy subject. Anyways.....just wanted to know if anyone agrees with me. I agree with your theory. It’s kind of obvious to me even though I haven’t read all the books. I’m on the second one. In my opinion, there was only one woman in the world that Ned would have loved more than his wife in order to keep her secret until his dying breath. His sister Lyanna. And being that the little boy was likely a Targaryen, why would Ned tell anyone who he was when Targaryen children were being slaughtered left, right and centre? He was an honourable man but wasn’t afraid to play the dishonourable part and taint his family name if he believed it were for the greater good. Even when it hurt him deeply. He allowed his wife to think he had been dishonourable to protect his sister’s Targaryen son. He allowed Westeros to think he had been dishonourable and had committed treason to protect his daughters. Sure he thought he was going to be sent to the Wall but when he was sentenced to death instead, he accepted whatever punishment came his way without a word of complaint; Punished by the very people who were committing treason with their dirty secrets – people claiming a throne that did not belong to them. Of all my favourite characters, Ned will forever be my topmost. Some may say he died a fool’s death but to me, he died an honourable man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG-13 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 This is actually a very common theory. R+L=J. Google it. It's all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellus Explorer Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 This is actually a very common theory. R+L=J. Google it. It's all over the place.I was just about to says this but I didn't want to sound like those stuck up book snobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTwipz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 For me, he had too much honor to father a bastard so this theory is quite good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Look at the R+L=J thread on the general subforum. We've reached version 83 already :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengwin7 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 NOOB checking in.I'm in the middle of Book2 (CoK), but I've watched the first 3 seasons of GoT TV.But I treat it more as a "re-read" because I've thoroughly research almost every character, event, timeline, and genealogy through GRRM's work thus far. I'm on board with the R+L=J theory... and I saw the v.82 or v.83 thread earlier today - mercy, that would take a long time to get through.Is there a quick way to find out who (among the sharp minds I've seen on this forum) might be on board with a R+L=J+__ theory. Is there evidence within the books (that I missed) that R+L had only one child?Why not two?Or three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Such a child would look either like a Stark or like a Targaryen.. so that limits the possibilities of who it could be.Second, ask yourself this question: why would Ned take one child but leave the other? Why would anyone take one child ans leave the other? What good would that do them?All evidence points to Jon beig that child.. there is no evidence pointing to there having been another child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengwin7 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Such a child would look either like a Stark or like a Targaryen.. so that limits the possibilities of who it could be.Second, ask yourself this question: why would Ned take one child but leave the other? Why would anyone take one child ans leave the other? What good would that do them?All evidence points to Jon beig that child.. there is no evidence pointing to there having been another child. Sorry... just realized that this is not the right forum for this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonprince Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 the dragon has three heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehane Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 For me, he had too much honor to father a bastard so this theory is quite good Yes. Robert talks to Ned about Jon in AGoT and remarks that Jon's mother must have been quite wonderful if the honorable Lord Stark would fall for her. There are a lot of hints if you watch closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Snow88 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Its pretty obvious about the L+R=J and i believe jons dire wolf Ghost is yet another subtle hint of that connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm just curious as to what new readers think of Tyrion's pale blonde hair and the fact that he has one green eye and one black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiggardlyBastard Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 r+l=j is old news buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriath Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'm just curious as to what new readers think of Tyrion's pale blonde hair and the fact that he has one green eye and one black. I think Tyrion is the third Targ i.e. the third head of the dragon. Secondly, I agree with this observation too. The decisive proof for me was the three white cloaks protecting the tower of Joy even though they should've gone off to protect Viserys and Dany. Why would they guard the tower when the royal family was in danger? The answer is that there was royal blood in the tower too, the heir to Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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