Mdoggy Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I recently started rereading the books and I just finished the first chapter of GOT and I just realized something huge: WHERE DID THE DIREWOLF MOTHER COME FROM? It never bothered me in my first read through but now it is driveing me crazy. If a Direwolf hasn't been seen in 200 years how did one end up in the middle of the north without being seen? There is also only the Direwolf Mother shown. If there is a mother who is the Father? I thought maybe it came through the wall but that is highly unlikely because I dont think the Night Watch will just let a pregnant Direwolf through the wall. So is there a secret bunch of Direwolves in the North? To me it seems like the greatest mystery in the series because there is no mention or evidence or prophecy that sheds light on this conundrum. Has this bothered anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evita mgfs Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The direwolf pups are gifts from the old gods. Therefore, the last greenseer probably warged with the female direwolf to guide her over the Wall and place her near Winterfell. I have read many other theories as well, but they all are rather contrived compared to what we later learn of the powers Bran commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Not being seen does not mean going extinct. It is reported that some of the animals who are supposed to be extinct for decades surface up occasionally. The Wolfswood is a very large forest and I think direwolves still live there but they are too few in numbers and avoid humans. The mother of the pups came from the Wolfswood IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turin Turambar1 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well it can't be a coincidence , a direwolf is found near the place were Gared was beheaded , I think they both came togheter . I mean why didn't The Others killed Gared , they simple let him go and thats a mistery , who knows maybe The Others sent the direwolf with him ( direwolf is a winter animal ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messem Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 There is also only the Direwolf Mother shown. If there is a mother who is the Father? I thought maybe it came through the wall but that is highly unlikely because I dont think the Night Watch will just let a pregnant Direwolf through the wall. There is no father. It's symmetry. Do you know the Father of Dragons? Just trolling. :cool4: The wall is only a few hundred feet wide. It is easy for a wolf to swim from the northern North to the southern North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The Wolfswood is bigger than Scotland, and sparsely populated. Heck, we know Bigfoot is out there in North America... So why can't a breeding population of Direwolves survive undetected in a vast expanse of wilderness in a medieval society? In any case. I am certain that there are still direwolves in the Wolfswood - which was likely named after them in the distant past. Just because they aren't seen, doesn't mean they aren't there. And the Wolfswood is much more fertile, with a lot more prey in it, than the icy Haunted Forest. So it can easily support a significant population of direwolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Was the father necessarily a direwolf, or could he have been a regular wolf? Would the Northmen know the difference between a half wolf half direwolf and a full direwolf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Drake Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well if the direwolves are monstrously larger than regular wolves I suppose people would be able to tell the difference. But I think this is beside the point. Why do we need the parents of the litter? The wood is large enough to have creatures roaming there without being seen for decades. I don't really see it as a mystery, just a cool myth made flesh to foreshadow Eddard's death and the nature of the puppies/Stark children. Besides, the magic is returning to the world, why couldn't they just magically reappear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindingthesnow Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well it can't be a coincidence , a direwolf is found near the place were Gared was beheaded , I think they both came togheter . I mean why didn't The Others killed Gared , they simple let him go and thats a mistery , who knows maybe The Others sent the direwolf with him ( direwolf is a winter animal ) I've never understood how Gared came from beyond the wall, - might have missed it from the reading. But the least interesting answer is that he simply went to Castle Black and then left the NW. However, the direwolf would not have accompanied him through Castle Black so something else needs to explain that fact. Two questions: 1. The direwolf in question died from a failed attempt at killing a Deer (right?) and upon them discovering the antle in its wound brought silence to the group, - is that a foreshadowing of Baratheons causing the death of a Stark? "A sudden silence descended over the party. The men looked at the antler uneasily, and no one dared to speak." 2. Ghost (white fur, red eyes AND open eyes) is said to be born from the dead: “Maybe she didn’t,” Jory said. “I’ve heard tales... maybe the bitch was already dead when the pups came.” “Born with the dead,” another man put in. “Worse luck.” Is this a reference to Jon's "birth" by a dead Lyanna? Feel free to shoot this down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 999th Sword of Braavos Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I recently started rereading the books and I just finished the first chapter of GOT and I just realized something huge: WHERE DID THE DIREWOLF MOTHER COME FROM? It never bothered me in my first read through but now it is driveing me crazy. If a Direwolf hasn't been seen in 200 years how did one end up in the middle of the north without being seen? There is also only the Direwolf Mother shown. If there is a mother who is the Father? I thought maybe it came through the wall but that is highly unlikely because I dont think the Night Watch will just let a pregnant Direwolf through the wall. So is there a secret bunch of Direwolves in the North? To me it seems like the greatest mystery in the series because there is no mention or evidence or prophecy that sheds light on this conundrum. Has this bothered anyone else?I believe it is confirmed that there are dire wolves north of the wall, I think by osha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 999th Sword of Braavos Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I've never understood how Gared came from beyond the wall, - might have missed it from the reading. But the least interesting answer is that he simply went to Castle Black and then left the NW. However, the direwolf would not have accompanied him through Castle Black so something else needs to explain that fact. Two questions: 1. The direwolf in question died from a failed attempt at killing a Deer (right?) and upon them discovering the antle in its wound brought silence to the group, - is that a foreshadowing of Baratheons causing the death of a Stark? "A sudden silence descended over the party. The men looked at the antler uneasily, and no one dared to speak."2. Ghost (white fur, red eyes AND open eyes) is said to be born from the dead: “Maybe she didn’t,” Jory said. “I’ve heard tales... maybe the bitch was already dead when the pups came.” “Born with the dead,” another man put in. “Worse luck.” Is this a reference to Jon's "birth" by a dead Lyanna? Feel free to shoot this down.I believe ghost is able to cross the wall, seems to reason that the direwolf population north of the wall (I believe Osha confirms this) could cross the wall in the same manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon {HUNGRY WOLF} Stark Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I believe ghost is able to cross the wall, seems to reason that the direwolf population north of the wall (I believe Osha confirms this) could cross the wall in the same manner. Ghost came back with Jon, after Jon was wandering around the wilding prisoners who were at the foot of wall on Northern side. Ghost came through the gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon {HUNGRY WOLF} Stark Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 MotherDirewolf and Kid Direwolves may have come through the Tunnel used by Wilding brothers Gendel & Gorne, being guided by Bloodraven, CotF or perhaps the OLD GODS themselves. As for Mother Direwolve coming from Wolveswood , if there had been Direwolves in Wolveswood someone would have seen them in 200 years. I mean Winterfell gets its meat from Wolveswood mainly. Lords of Winterfell hunt in Wolveswood. Its very hard to imagine that direwolves would have remained hidden for 200 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Well if the direwolves are monstrously larger than regular wolves I suppose people would be able to tell the difference. But I think this is beside the point. Why do we need the parents of the litter? The wood is large enough to have creatures roaming there without being seen for decades. I don't really see it as a mystery, just a cool myth made flesh to foreshadow Eddard's death and the nature of the puppies/Stark children. Besides, the magic is returning to the world, why couldn't they just magically reappear?Well the kids would probably still be larger than a regular wolf. They could still turn out to be as big as mom, or larger than a regular wolf but smaller than an average direwolf - the humans south of the Wall wouldn't have known since they have never seen a direwolf But it is not important, I doubt that GRRM ever gave it a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark'sBastard Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I'm going to go with that either, 1) They were a gift from the old gods or2) She was just there, not extinct or anything, just with a low population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Drake Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 True Annara, there is that - direwolf pup probably could be mistaken for a wolf. But as you said, I don't think there's any sort of mystery to be unveiled here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heck, we know Bigfoot is out there in North America... So why can't a breeding population of Direwolves survive undetected in a vast expanse of wilderness in a medieval society? Bigfoot is as real as direwolves but not near as interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Well the kids would probably still be larger than a regular wolf. They could still turn out to be as big as mom, or larger than a regular wolf but smaller than an average direwolf - the humans south of the Wall wouldn't have known since they have never seen a direwolfBut it is not important, I doubt that GRRM ever gave it a thought :agree: She is a plot device, no big mystery there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelastsanson Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Maybe the direwolves were hidden away in the forest, but their sudden appearance into the Starks' lives cannot be a coincidence. I'm more likely to believe that the old gods had something to do with this, as if it was fated that these particular kids would get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indemnity Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I think the Old Gods have a play in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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