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Should Olenna Tyrell be punished for breaking guest right?


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#1 Lee-Sensei

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:47 AM

Joffrey was a little shit and Olenna Tyrell is awesome, but she did break guest rights and that's and that's a serious crime in their world. Does anyone else think she needs to die for it?



#2 Mrs.Grumpy

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:53 AM

Nah.



#3 Lointain

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:53 AM

Don't worry, the gods saw everything and will punish her accordingly.

I bet we will start to see a lot of Tyrells starting to get killed in the next chapters...



#4 TheOldWolf

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:53 AM

Doesn't GR just apply if the host harms the guests and not the other way around

#5 The Sleeper

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:55 AM

Poisoning the king on his wedding feast while he is being married to your granddaughter is wrong on so many levels, but that little shit just had to go.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:56 AM

Of course. But being a king slayer is the real problem.

#7 Lee-Sensei

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:58 AM

Kingslaying, breaking guest rigts and possible Kinslaying. She'd make a good match for Walder Frey.

 

Doesn't GR just apply if the host harms the guests and not the other way around

No. It goes both ways. What sense would it make for a host to let a guest into their home without assurances that the guests not going to kill them or anything.


Edited by Lee-Sensei, 07 June 2014 - 08:01 AM.


#8 Fireandblood94

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 08:08 AM

I hope not cause I like Olenna and Joffery had to go- she did the realm a great service really. But ya she'll get some punishment like the Freys and Boltons

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 08:55 AM

Yes.



#10 Lord Damian

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 08:59 AM

Well, Tyrion has been convicted of that but not from a guest's perspective, so unless she confesses, she never will - officially. However, if the gods are just, there will be a cirtain retribution. The Iron Born are currently, by the end of the last book ADWD invading the Reach and appear to be headed futher and further up the river towards Highgarden. Maybe?


Edited by Lord Damian, 07 June 2014 - 09:06 AM.


#11 Mulled Wino

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:03 AM

She didn't break guest right, guest right doesn't last for infinity...


Edited by Mulled Wino, 07 June 2014 - 09:04 AM.


#12 David Selig

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:05 AM

She committed a murder yet what you care about is guest right?



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:16 AM

She has to pay for framing Tyrion.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:33 AM

We haven't seen anyone "pay" for breaking guest right yet, so I say she should also get a pass. Being that it's Westeros though, she will probably be the only one.

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:39 AM

Did Joffrey break guest rights first by beating Sansa?  Or for that matter since he is not who he claims to be does guest rights apply to him?  Was Mance under guest rights at Winterfell if his identity had been discovered?



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:40 AM

Well, Tyrion has been convicted of that but not from a guest's perspective, so unless she confesses, she never will - officially. However, if the gods are just, there will be a cirtain retribution. The Iron Born are currently, by the end of the last book ADWD invading the Reach and appear to be headed futher and further up the river towards Highgarden. Maybe?


They'll be crushed before they get to highgarden, they can't hold terrorties inland as they've shown by taking Winterfell and Moat Calin..,

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:44 AM

Well, I doubt Margaery will be queen at the end, so her ending might be what the 7 have in store for breaking guest rights.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:58 AM

Did Joffrey break guest rights first by beating Sansa?  Or for that matter since he is not who he claims to be does guest rights apply to him?  Was Mance under guest rights at Winterfell if his identity had been discovered?

 

Sansa wasn't a guest but a hostage.  Joff was a douche but didn't break guest rights.

 

I can't say for sure but I would imagine they would at least be able to take Mance into custody, given that he lied about who he was.  After all, had he shown up saying he was Mance Rayder, he would have been arrested on the spot and likely beheaded for desertion. 

 

To the OP: I would say Olenna did break guest rights.  We never see the Seven intervene with anything and no one knows she did it, so I don't think she'll be punished for it.



#19 Lee-Sensei

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 10:00 AM

She committed a murder yet what you care about is guest right?

She broke guest rights by committing murder.

 

Did Joffrey break guest rights first by beating Sansa?  Or for that matter since he is not who he claims to be does guest rights apply to him?  Was Mance under guest rights at Winterfell if his identity had been discovered?

Sansa wasn't a guest. She was a hostage.

 

It doesn't matter that he's not a true Baratheon or Targaryen. LF isn't an Arryn, yet Lyn Corbray threatening to kill him was seen as breaking guest rights by the Lords Declarant.


Edited by Lee-Sensei, 07 June 2014 - 10:02 AM.


#20 shearstone

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 10:01 AM

They weren't guests technically they were family and besides they didn't eat the bread and salt of their hosts as they provided the food,