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The Frey's internecine war


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''In the Twins, you learned early that only full blood siblings could be trusted, and then not very far.It was like to be every son for himself when the old man dies.''-Merrett Frey



Which faction is most likely to win in this war (Black Walder or Edwyn, or some other Frey), and if this civil war happens, is this when the riverlords will rebel against their their overlords?


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None of them.

The Brotherhood Without Banners will begin picking off Freys on each side, until they go for a full scale attack and begin slaughtering them.

Unlikley. The Brotherhood is too small to attack the Freys. Maybe the ones at Daven's wedding though.

It's between Black Walder, Walder Rivers, or Lame Lothar Frey. All three very competent and dangerous.

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''In the Twins, you learned early that only full blood siblings could be trusted, and then not very far.It was like to be every son for himself when the old man dies.''-Merrett Frey

Which faction is most likely to win in this war (Black Walder or Edwyn, or some other Frey), and if this civil war happens, is this when the riverlords will rebel against their their overlords?

I think Black Walder will be one faction leader, maybe Bastard Walder (Rivers) or Hosteen the other. (Hosteen is not smart, but he can fight, and also being up North may isolate him from the power struggle at the Twins.)

"Win" is perhaps the wrong word, but soon as the old man goes, there will be an epic purge. (And no mercy from any other house, which will gleefully kick them when they're down)

However, let's give some props to the non-shitty Freys, that small number who may end up gathering around Roslin to save their family from the rest.

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''In the Twins, you learned early that only full blood siblings could be trusted, and then not very far.It was like to be every son for himself when the old man dies.''-Merrett Frey

Which faction is most likely to win in this war (Black Walder or Edwyn, or some other Frey), and if this civil war happens, is this when the riverlords will rebel against their their overlords?

Honestly, I don't think that any succession crisis at the Twins is likely to lead to a "proper war". I have no doubt that it could boil over into violence, but I don't think that the Frey army is likely to continue to function for much longer. Considering that they have fourteen hundred men North and likely to die and the rest scattered in the Riverlands that will possibly face a resurgence in opposition thanks to the renewal of the war, they really cannot afford to be bickering amongst themselves. On the other hand, perhaps its this bickering that saves them. Maybe some end up selling their kin out to the enemies that are gunning for them in exchange for continued life (perhaps even exchange for the lordship of the Twins).

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the Freys in the end will lose the Twins it really doesn't matter what Frey slaughters Frey cause they are done as a house .they played the game an with tywin they have few friends Roose isn't in a position to help his kin lol .the Freys in the north will die in upcoming battle.the Freys in Riverrun are gonna a taste of there own treachery and I haven't decided who will take the twins BwB Vale knights w Sansa or Blackfish or lady stone heart with nymerias posse but they all will die.the Freys are doomed.

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Perwyn will be the lord of the twins

I hope so, Daven likes him and his brother was a Robb loyalist, seems like a decent guy. My other hope for that branch is that they get taken out of the BwB's area of influence by being called to take over Rosby

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I hope so, Daven likes him and his brother was a Robb loyalist, seems like a decent guy. My other hope for that branch is that they get taken out of the BwB's area of influence by being called to take over Rosby

Perwyn is the 15th son, no way that he will become the top dog, it has got to be one of the first borns.

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Freys will slaughter Freys and the Brotherhood without Banners will sit back and watch as the Freys do their work for them.



Whatever Freys escape being killed by their kin will be killed by the BWB or Nymeria's pack


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I think we'll see how horrible people who committ treachery together often turn on one another before the final fall of House Frey or that may well be a large part of their final fall. Edwyn Frey and Black Walder hate each other and would almost surely kill the other fighting over who gets to inherit the Twins. Black Walder is ruthless and a ferocious fighter so I would say he'll win, but Edwyn is slyly dangerous. During the siege of Riverrun he suggests they pretend to storm the walls, put archers in the siege towers, and have them try to pick off the Blackfish so that the next commander of Riverrun can surrender to them. I wont put sneakily killing Black Walder past someone who comes up with that. He also appears to have Walder Rivers on his side since Rivers was his right hand man and confidant during the siege. Lame Lothar is the wildcard. I think he sounds like he might just be the Littlefinger of the Twins so I wont count him out either.


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Hmm. The current heir to the Twins is Edwyn Frey, the senior-line great-grandson of old Lord Walder. (This reminds me of Louis XIV of France being succeeded by his great-grandson, Louis XV.)

Edwyn himself has only one child, Walda, a girl of 9. On the one hand, this bodes "well" for Black Walder, who only has his rival brother and young niece ahead of him; I doubt he would have compunctions about killing either. However, given the rumor that Black Walder slept with his brothers' wives, he might even be able to make Janyce Hunter (Walda's mother) claim that Walda is actually Black Walder's bastard, which would simultaneously disinherit her and save her life.

On the other hand, a female heir can of course be used for strategic betrothals...

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