Jon's Queen Consort Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Since the previous thread passed #400 I thought that it should be better to have a version 2. At my latest re-read I have noticed many foreshadowing involving the future Queen Consort in the North Val and her King husband Jon. Val stood beside him, tall and fair. They had crowned her with a simple circlet of dark bronze, yet she looked more regal in bronze than Stannis did in gold.Then Ghost emerged from between two trees, with Val beside him. They look as though they belong together.You have my word, Lord Snow. I will be a proper wildling princess for your queen. Those are what I have so far. Do you agree or not? What would you add? The last post of version 1 is: How's book marriage not convincing? Show marriage was purely out of love, in the books, Jeyne comforts the injured Robb, who also received the news about Bran&Rickon's deaths and if there was love or not, he had to marry her out of honor. Accoring to that, book Robb may not have made the mistake of marrying Talisa if she were in the books instead of Jeyne. version 1 could be found here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/83331-val-is-jons-true-queen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Not after Val said the ugly thing about Shireen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't think what she said was that horrible. I think we're projecting outrage onto Jon that isn't there. He was surely turned off by it but I didn't get the impression he was disgusted by it at all. I don't think its even close to being a deal breaker, because in the end she's probably right and we all know it, and so does Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bittersteel Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 It occurred to me when reading that she's the best woman for him and the foreshadowing does seem to be there. It would be greatly beneficial to the people of Westeros accepting the wildlings into society in general if they married and ruled together which will be particularly significant in the North if that's where the wildlings are settled. Although with the amount of death elsewhere I'm sure there will be plenty of space all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I would like this but if she's really that important then she should definitely be on the show.And sadly it look like she won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't know if she'll be Jon's queen, but I think she could be someone's queen Or not. Maybe it's just one of Martin's little ironies, as in "she's a wildling and yet is more beautiful and regal than half of the highborn pretenders to the throne" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 There is definetly interest between the two of them however, after what has happened thus far, I do not get my hopes up. Ygritte was the one for Jon, just like as sick as it is, Drogo was for Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Ygritte was the one for Jon, She was not, and no one is good enough for Jon because the only way for him to have a real interest in a woman would be the end of his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I don't have much to add, but now that we're in the second iteration of this thread I'd just like to throw my towel in the Val is Jon's queen ring. The foreshadowings mentioned in the OP are some of the few actual foreshadowings (or rather, potential foreshadowings) I picked up on in my first read, so I had those in my mind as I read their interactions and such, and it just left me with a feeling that they would end up together. Of course, those feelings are of no use to anyone but me, so I'll just say that it seems right that Jon, the man who has been single-handedly spearheading renewed relations between Westeros and the Wildlings, would end up cementing that role with a marriage to a wildling. Certainly more right than Jon marrying any other character we have encountered so far, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingZero Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Not after Val said the ugly thing about Shireen Some people are way too sensitive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 A lot of people are saying that Val is not human and is a ice Siren(lured men to their doom). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 A lot of people are saying that Val is not human and is a ice Siren(lured men to their doom). I don't believe that at all, because I've yet to see her lure one person away and she had ample opportunity to do so when she went on the mission for Jon to bring back the Wildlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 She is just a wilding who culture deal with Greyscale differently. If Tommund meet Shireen instead of Shireen meeting Val,would he say the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 If Tommund meet Shireen instead of Shireen meeting Val,would he say the same thing? Unless Val knows more than him on the Greyscale then yes he would most likely say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Considering the enormous crisis that is happening, that when people die and come back, they come as less of a person, more commited to their singular objectives, would Jon Snow really have time to bother with marriage and finding a queen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 A lot of people are saying that Val is not human and is a ice Siren(lured men to their doom). And when was she doing this, exactly? She spent pretty much all aDwD locked in a tower, and the only time she left the Wall was to save men from certain doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Mel is more danger to Shireen then Val is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragons Hand Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Certainly possible.Although I am kind of concerned that people are actually buying what she said about Shireen's greyscale considering Val's lack of any education is challenging the long held belief's of Westerosi Maester's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I would like this but if she's really that important then she should definitely be on the show. And sadly it look like she won't. The show is a fan-fic at this point so none of it has any bearing on the books. Val is an extremely important character as she is someone who could help bring the wildlings to Jon's side (Humanity's side).Not to mention she is someone who speaks her mind in front of Jon and is someone he can trust which he cant with anyone else really.Jon needs someone in his life to depend on and to share his burden with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 A lot of people are saying that Val is not human and is a ice Siren(lured men to their doom). Is that an actual theory? I've never heard it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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