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Murder of "The Bloody Hand"


Jaak

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Well, who was murdered by The Bloody Hand, and how?



There is a certain... problem with Sansa. She may or may not have been raped - this remained in her marriage bed between her and the Bloody Hand. But she was seen alive at the Purple Wedding by a large number of guests, and accused of providing the poison.



Whereas the Bloody Hand was seen throughout the wedding, and was arrested at the end. No chance to rape and murder Sansa during wedding. He was then imprisoned, so no chance to rape and murder Sansa then.



Bloody Hand has not been seen since he fled his prison and presumably killed Tywin and Shae. Neither has Sansa. Bloody Hand might have met Sansa if she was hiding during his imprisonment, and raped and murdered her then. But there is not much of the story of them after that point, because neither has been seen since. So it wouldn´t be second act.



Who did Bloody Hand plausibly rape and murder as of second act?



(Sorry - I think wrong forum for this thread. Winds of Winter?)


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Well, who was murdered by The Bloody Hand, and how?

There is a certain... problem with Sansa. She may or may not have been raped - this remained in her marriage bed between her and the Bloody Hand. But she was seen alive at the Purple Wedding by a large number of guests, and accused of providing the poison.

Whereas the Bloody Hand was seen throughout the wedding, and was arrested at the end. No chance to rape and murder Sansa during wedding. He was then imprisoned, so no chance to rape and murder Sansa then.

Bloody Hand has not been seen since he fled his prison and presumably killed Tywin and Shae. Neither has Sansa. Bloody Hand might have met Sansa if she was hiding during his imprisonment, and raped and murdered her then. But there is not much of the story of them after that point, because neither has been seen since. So it wouldn´t be second act.

Who did Bloody Hand plausibly rape and murder as of second act?

(Sorry - I think wrong forum for this thread. Winds of Winter?)

Yeah. I'd put spoilers in the title too. I had no idea what you were talking about at first, I had to wiki it. Forgot about that sample chapter.

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@RumHam, how could you forget? :P

@Jaak, well, Arya is supposed to play a maiden, right? That rules out Shae. The character would be raped and murdered, perhaps to give th character Sansa some closure? Sansa disappears after the wedding in the true story, but for a play that might be hard to explain.. and thus Sansa (who still hasn't been found by then) is killed off in the play

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I think it likely GRRM doesn't have an answer himself, one isn't necessary, I doubt he went all over how the play would go, only what he wanted for the Mercy chapter, and he wanted Mercy to be able to think to herself about her "rape and murder".


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@Jaak, well, Arya is supposed to play a maiden, right? That rules out Shae. The character would be raped and murdered, perhaps to give th character Sansa some closure? Sansa disappears after the wedding in the true story, but for a play that might be hard to explain.. and thus Sansa (who still hasn't been found by then) is killed off in the play

William Shakespeare could take liberties with the known timeline of Richard III for artistical purposes, because it was 110 years ago. Phario Forel´s problem is that the story is very much current - the characters are living and on the loose.

The fact that Sansa is presumed alive and on the run is well known. She is a wanted girl with a price on her head, not as big as Tyrion and not as easy to recognize, but still very much around.

Since neither Sansa nor Tyrion have been seen since their respective escapes, people may reasonably speculate that they might have been killed shortly after escape. But then plausible occasion and timing still matters.

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The obvious answer is: an anonymous lowborn girl, probably a maid or servant girl, in the play just to show what a monster Tyrion is. If the story was inspired by Shae's account at the trial, it has been seriously tweaked and the character is nothing like the real Shae.

I don't understand why people think it's Sansa. It makes no sense. Mercy played a minor character who has two lines in the entire play; she's clearly lowborn and says "m'lord"; and one of her lines is "please, I'm a maiden" or something like that, words that no bride in that world would use to try to deter her legal husband from raping her - brides were expected to be virgins and it would only be an incentive to the husband. "Sansa" probably had a larger role in the play, must have at least been shown marrying Tyrion, and is more likely to have been portrayed as a co-conspirator than a victim. Remember that the play was deemed appropriate to show to a Lannister government representative. The audience in universe would not be inclined to consider marital rape a crime or think of it as rape; unless the play really pointed out the awfulness of what the Lannisters were trying to do with Sansa, a forced marriage of a hostage and an act of war and power grab while working to destroy her family, but that would have been a severe accusation against the Lannisters in general, not just Tyrion. I don't think that the theatre was trying to cause a diplomatic scandal.

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