Characters that will possibly be cut

[Annara Snow]

I don't think Jon Connington, Arianne and Taena are cut. JonCon and Arianne are both way too important, and as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, Cersei needs someone to talk to. I do think Illyrio, Aeron Greyjoy and the Umbers will be cut. I also think they might merge Darkstar and possibly Arys Oakheart with Areo Hotah, which shouldn't be too hard because they can simply change the character's personality and make him a lot less loyal than his book counterpart. I don't see a reason why they should cast him if they did not give him a more important role than he has in the books, which he should have then.

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Ilyrio is already a part of the show, he was in season 1 - selling Dany to Drogo, and later secretly meeting with Varys in KL.

[The King Of Cooked Steak]

I don't think Jon Connington, Arianne and Taena are cut. JonCon and Arianne are both way too important, and as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, Cersei needs someone to talk to. I do think Illyrio, Aeron Greyjoy and the Umbers will be cut. I also think they might merge Darkstar and possibly Arys Oakheart with Areo Hotah, which shouldn't be too hard because they can simply change the character's personality and make him a lot less loyal than his book counterpart. I don't see a reason why they should cast him if they did not give him a more important role than he has in the books, which he should have then.

((English is not my native language, I'm sorry for any unintentional spelling and grammar errors. :) ))

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Areo Hotah has been announced and confirmed that he will be cast, but I don't see how they could merge him with Ser Arys. Like I said in my OP, Bronn might replace Arys, which makes sense why he's they would place him in Dorne.

[Annara Snow]

Welcome to the forums! Have fun.

Areo Hotah has been announced and confirmed that he will be cast, but I don't see how they could merge him with Ser Arys. Like I said in my OP, Bronn might replace Arys, which makes sense why he's they would place him in Dorne.

I don't see how Bronn could replace Arys. They are completely different people, and Bronn would never behave like Arys did. He sure wouldn't fall in love with Arianne and throw his life away for her.

[sati]

Ilyrio is already a part of the show, he was in season 1 - selling Dany to Drogo, and later secretly meeting with Varys in KL.

Again, that was season 1.

[The King Of Cooked Steak]

I don't see how Bronn could replace Arys. They are completely different people, and Bronn would never behave like Arys did. He sure wouldn't fall in love with Arianne and throw his life away for her.

The last part is how they might change it. I don't think Bronn will go out the way Arys did. Maybe he'll die protecting Myrcella herself instead of dying for his love for Arianne. Maybe he'll get killed by Darkstar instead of Areo. Plus, I don't think Unsullied viewers will get attached to a Kingsguard that was a faceless extra in S2. There are already too many characters than any casual show-watcher can handle, so when they are cramping everything up with the Martells and the Greyjoys and all the additional characters in other story arcs (JonCon, Aegon, Hyle Hunt, Taena etc.), they are going to have to cut characters to make room in the cast.

[The Onion Sleight]

From the looks of things the Manderlys seem likely to be cut/combined with the Umbers.

Victarion is most lilely cut. I am on the fence about Aegon but I am thinking he is going to get the axe too (along with Jon C obviously).

I am 50/50 on Arianne being cut at this point.

I fear they're going to cut Manderly. The Freys are very much out of the picture now, the northern storyline is very much reduced to the Boltons, and there won't be a lot of time to really dive into this sideplot. Bolton vs. Stannis doesn't really need Manderly (as sad as ist sounds).

Are you guys serious about that? They're going to give us dozen of new characters in Dorne/Essos/KL -even three sandsnakes and somebody as Lollys and Areo and Maggy- but would really exclude Vic and Manderly?! C'mon, the North and the Iron Isles need some new characters, you can't do everything with Asha/Yara and the Umbers and Karstarks (okay, okay, I guess, you can, but...man, it's Wyman Manderly and Victarion Greyjoy!).

Okay, I could imagine a Greyjoy-brothers-merge and of course huge changes with the Ironborn-Meereen-storyline, but I still think we'll have the Kingsmoot and it will at least include Vic and Euron. Yara has returned to Pyke, Balon dies very early in season 5 (hopefully 5x01) and then they can introduce us to his family. I don't understand why they talk all the time about Dorne, but there's no word about the IB; okay, I guess, Dornish -> sexpostions + everybody loved Oberyn and want to see Dorne now, Ironborn -> expensive sea battles, I admit that the Greyjoy brothers are all somehow dumbasses (but hey, a crazy evil mad wizard-pirate-king?! "Dumb as a stump" Vic + magic arm, monkeys, "freeing slaves", Dothraki Sea, kraken helmet, aso.?!)

And why omitting Manderly? This guy will play a huge role in the Battle of Ice, he's an awesome character, the White Harbor storyline would work perfectely on screen; give Davos like two episodes subplot, end one with his "death" (as a mean cliffhanger, great hate for Wyman, the Northmen / Stark vassals are licked, victorious Freys and Boltons) and show one or two episodes later what really happend to Davos and reveal Manderly's plans (great relief and joy, Wyman is a cool badass, "The North remembers", finally vengeance).

Nice set for the Merman's court, awesome lines and dialogues (and the show loves these), Cameo appearance for GRRM as Manderly-family-member, shows perfectely the still lasting love and power for/of the Starks = Made for screen!

I know the show will omit sooo many minor characters I love next season (Justin Massey :crying:, Rodrik Harlaw :crying:, also Barbrey Dustin, Alys Karstark, aso. :frown5:), but I want at least some new characters for the Boltons/Stannis/Yara/Jon to interact with.

I'm still hoping so much for fArya/Jeyne Poole, I can't see how the Northern storyline would work as in the books without her (Which probably means she'll be cutted to simplify everything... Although she's, Imo, important for Theon/Boltons/Stannis+Northmen/Jon, and I really, really want her to be in!).

And some more Northmen in Winterfell and the Cofter's Village would be cool, they don't have to include all, Mormonts, Glovers, Clanmen, Ryswells,... but at least one somebody (=Northman) on Roose' side and somebody on Stannis'... But I guess I'll have to accept the omitting of guys like Massey, Harlaw, Dustin, Karstark (No Queen's men vs. Clansmen :bawl:, no bookish, sophisticated Ironborn :bawl:, no creepy, vengeful widow :bawl:, no wedding at the Wall :bawl:), but I won't accept the idea of an omitted Wyman and Victarion until they confirm it (which would really suck! -.- I hope they won't be that biased about Dorne/Essos/KL and North/Iron Isles, it's the later I care far more about; but okay, to each his own...).

[sati]

I don't think Manderly is cut. It's just too much story and he is so much fun. Also I hope even they, oblivious as they are to what will bring backlash, realize that if all the new people they include are sexy kittens in Dorne book readers will riot.

[WexPyke]

What about the biggest cut of all? No Lady Stoneheart. Uncat is unlikely to return now, don't you think?

[The King Of Cooked Steak]

What about the biggest cut of all? No Lady Stoneheart. Uncat is unlikely to return now, don't you think?

No way. She seems to be way too important to be cut. If they want to truly shock viewers and get them hyped, Lady Stoneheart is absolutely mandatory. If they have Brienne be captured by Beric and the BWB, it would royally suck. The reason (I think) she wasn't introduced in the finale was because they want to slow down the story to give GRRM time to finish WOW. Same reason why Jon Snow was not made Lord Commander in the same episode.

[sati]

What about the biggest cut of all? No Lady Stoneheart. Uncat is unlikely to return now, don't you think?

Though not having her in finale felt like a kick in a vagina for me I still think she is in. She is a major character returning in an awesome twist and there was tons of foreshadowing. She's not gone...she is just frustratingly postponed.

[protar]

That's what I was saying, that GRRM suggested they named her differently and make her a totally new character. If she was actually named Jeyne with a few backstory differences I don't think people would make such fuss in the forums about the change.

Yes but Martin had nothing to do with the backstory changes. He was only behind changing the name. He basically went "Guys, you've pretty much destroyed this character, it's ridiculous that she even shares a name with her book counterpart. Plus she's Volantene now so calling her Jeyne doesn't make a lick of sense."

[sati]

Yes but Martin had nothing to do with the backstory changes. He was only behind changing the name. He basically went "Guys, you've pretty much destroyed this character, it's ridiculous that she even shares a name with her book counterpart. Plus she's Volantene now so calling her Jeyne doesn't make a lick of sense."

Wasn't he the one who made her pregnant? He wrote Bear and the Maiden Fair

[The King Of Cooked Steak]

Yes but Martin had nothing to do with the backstory changes. He was only behind changing the name. He basically went "Guys, you've pretty much destroyed this character, it's ridiculous that she even shares a name with her book counterpart. Plus she's Volantene now so calling her Jeyne doesn't make a lick of sense."

I didn't say he had anything to do with the backstory changes. Like I said, if she was named Jeyne, not many people would really care. TBH, I didn't mind Talisa, because Jeyne in my eyes wasn't a fully developed character in the book either way. Though her backstory is indeed flawed. How does a noble lady of Volantis end up in Westeros as a healer? But still didn't really care. Point was, Robb breaks his vow to the Freys and gets his punishment for it.

[HairGrowsBack]

Wasn't he the one who made her pregnant? He wrote Bear and the Maiden Fair

He did, but a lot of scenes were shuffled to other episodes, so it's hard to know exactly how much he wrote of that episode. We know, for instance, that he had nothing to do with Theon's torture porn scene.

[sati]

He did, but a lot of scenes were shuffled to other episodes, so it's hard to know exactly how much he wrote of that episode. We know, for instance, that he had nothing to do with Theon's torture porn scene.

Oh man that's good to know. On the other hand the one justification I always used for that awful scene was 'well, maybe Martin was trying to clarify Theon was castrated' so that's shot to shit now :lol:

[Chebyshov]

I didn't say he had anything to do with the backstory changes. Like I said, if she was named Jeyne, not many people would really care. TBH, I didn't mind Talisa, because Jeyne in my eyes wasn't a fully developed character in the book either way. Though her backstory is indeed flawed. How does a noble lady of Volantis end up in Westeros as a healer? But still didn't really care. Point was, Robb breaks his vow to the Freys and gets his punishment for it.

Yeah, but Book!Robb died because he broke his marriage vows out of honor; Show!Robb died because he broke his betrothal for love. Changes the nature of it completely. I don't mind Talisa that much either, but I did like how history repeated itself with Stark honor.

Though not having her in finale felt like a kick in a vagina for me I still think she is in. She is a major character returning in an awesome twist and there was tons of foreshadowing. She's not gone...she is just frustratingly postponed.

This, basically. It's weird; a lot of people are saying they white-washed Tyrion on the show to leave us with someone to root for going into next season. But I think if they had made Tyrion appropriately dark and included the epilogue scene, show-watchers would still be pumped and looking forward to S5. Obviously Stoneheart isn't exactly Cat, but the epilogue scene in and of itself wouldn't have revealed that. But I also hate Tyrion, so I'm just personally irritated that they're propping him up to be our hero.

Also, love the new avatar.

[HairGrowsBack]

Oh man that's good to know. On the other hand the one justification I always used for that awful scene was 'well, maybe Martin was trying to clarify Theon was castrated' so that's shot to shit now :lol:

Yes, the very first thing he said when that scene came up during the commentary was "I had absolutely nothing to do with this !" (being almost verbatim here) :laugh:

Yeah, but Book!Robb died because he broke his marriage vows out of honor; Show!Robb died because he broke his betrothal for love. Changes the nature of it completely. I don't mind Talisa that much either, but I did like how history repeated itself with Stark honor.

That's my main beef as well, but overall I really dislike her character : she's completely unrealistic and Mary Sue-esque, and feels completely out of place.

[The King Of Cooked Steak]

Yeah, but Book!Robb died because he broke his marriage vows out of honor; Show!Robb died because he broke his betrothal for love. Changes the nature of it completely. I don't mind Talisa that much either, but I did like how history repeated itself with Stark honor.

I am not sure that's something we can really ever know, since Robb is not a POV character in the book, and we spend much more time with him in the show. IIRC Martin said in an interview that he wishes he had made Robb a fully fledged POV character, but I have to agree that it would suit everything better if it were the Stark pattern of "dying because of honor". Still don't care though.

[NewJeffCT]

Again, that was season 1.

Other shows have events from previous seasons - even going back 2-3-4 seasons - affecting the current season/episode. Look at Breaking Bad - events from Season 1 played out over the last several episodes of the show, in season 5. Even Star Trek: The Next Generation had events/characters taking place over years - the Borg first appeared in Season 2, and then didn't appear again until the season finale of Season 3, over 30 episodes later (the equivalent of 3 full seasons of GoT). The same with Tasha Yar - she dies in Season 1, then appears in a flashback episode in season 3, and then the season finale of season 4 (episode 100), 37 episodes later, as Tasha Yar's half Romulan daughter from the flashback episode.

So, I don't see why having Illyrio from Season 1, or the mention of Tysha, is a big deal. I can see Illyrio being cut, especially if the actor were not available. But, I think Tysha not even being mentioned was a huge oversight.

[The Eunuch]

Jon Connington won't be cut, he was the military trainer of Aegon and Varys can't replace that. And he's like his fatherly figure.

Arianne won't be cut either, she's too important... We know we'll spend a lot of time in Dorne next season, and what is the main plot there? Myrcella's crowning attempt, ploted by Arianne... Plus, she'll propably marry Aegon and seal the alliance with House Martell.