TheHouseHB Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe Jaqen is like to Arya what Harry was to Dexter? When Arya begins training in Bravos he comes back sort of like a ghost in her mind during her beginning stages of training to become a faceless woman? Which is a way to possibly remind viewers that Jaqen is still out there and when we see him next with his face that he changed into last (possibly killing Balon, or Pate in Oldtown) will not come as a shock to show only viewers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Raven Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yet another deviation from the book, if this happens. Not that I should even be surprised at this point. I've learned not to even compare the show to the books anymore...yet I struggle not to be disappointed with all the major changes and/or omissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinoman Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Exactly this seems unbelievably sloppy to me. What is the point of saying "Jaqen is no more" and changing his face, if he is just going to reappear with the same face? I'm not understanding this at all. Maybe make Arya feel more comfortable with the transition to a FM. I am in favor of the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 There's this recent post from poster soppster91 in another thread, but I think it belongs here: Today it was announced here in Germany, that Tom Wlashiha ( the Actor who portrays Ja´qen Hgar) will be recast for Season 5 in a mayor role and will appear in at least 6 Episodes. That pretty much means that he will replace the Kindly Man, doesn´t it? Another possibility would be for him to stay book canon but with his "old face" and play a role in Oldtown, though I highly doubt that they will not go for the Arya&Ja´qen Reunion. Six episodes? Sounds like a KM replacement to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mop Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah, if Arya is only in 7 or 8, KM could definitely only appear in 6. At the same time, if he kills Balon & Pate, each of those could easily be 3 episodes (depending on how in depth they go with Balon). Stil, at 6 it seems KM is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Bog Woman Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah, if Arya is only in 7 or 8, KM could definitely only appear in 6. At the same time, if he kills Balon & Pate, each of those could easily be 3 episodes (depending on how in depth they go with Balon). Stil, at 6 it seems KM is more likely. Killing Balon taking 3 episodes? You're kidding, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mop Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Killing Balon taking 3 episodes? You're kidding, right? End of episode 1, one of the final scenes, Balon isn't dead, we get Jaqen infiltrating Pyke. Episode 2, he kills Balon. Episode 3, we get Jaqen getting the fuck out of Pyke. Episode 6 we get Jaqen in Oldtown. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackTalon Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 End of episode 1, one of the final scenes, Balon isn't dead, we get Jaqen infiltrating Pyke. Episode 2, he kills Balon. Episode 3, we get Jaqen getting the fuck out of Pyke. Episode 6 we get Jaqen in Oldtown. etc. No way. If we get to see Baln's death at all it will be one single scene in a single episode. Regarding the kindly man: A big problem is the fact that he is not just Arya's teacher, but also the boss of the Temple. I think Jaqen is just too young for that to play the role credibly. We may get a nameless extra for the kindly man with just a few lines and Jaqen will be Arya's mentor, similar to how in "Nikita" Tcheky Karyo was charged with being her mentor, but not the boss of the secret service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mop Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 No way. If we get to see Baln's death at all it will be one single scene in a single episode. Maybe, but why? Balon's death happens "off camera" in the books, so it's not like there's something to faithfully adapt here. Hell, we don't even know for sure he was murdered, it's just inferred (rightfully so IMO) from a vision. If they do show his death, though, and reveal that it was a Faceless Man, then it's essentially original material. Why not flesh it out? Would be pretty random to just have Jaqen randomly show up on a bridge, kill Balon, and then disappear again. And if its not Jaqen, wouldn't even necessarily be clear it was a Faceless Man who was the assassin, unless they did some cheesy reveal or had the person who hired the assassin admit to it on screen elsewhere. Like I said earlier, if he's in 6 episodes I think it's likely he's in Braavos with Arya to give the viewer another familiar face with her. But there's definitely possibility there for them to do a parallel thing where we see Arya training in Braavos and Jaqen putting that same training to work in Westeros. There's plenty of room for it around Balon's death & with Pate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackTalon Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe, but why? I'd like to see it the way you described, but what I meant is there is no way they can find the time for such an elaborate setup. Everybody - including D&D themselves I am sure - is already wondering if tehy can finish the story in seven seasons, and like you said Balon's death wasn't even "truly" described in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mop Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I'd like to see it the way you described, but what I meant is there is no way they can find the time for such an elaborate setup. Everybody - including D&D themselves I am sure - is already wondering if tehy can finish the story in seven seasons, and like you said Balon's death wasn't even "truly" described in the books. Ah, that's a fair point. I have a feeling this season is going to look very different from the books though, and am guessing the focus will remain primarily on the Starks, Lannisters, and Dany, with a little Stannis on the side. Purist heads will explode, no doubt, but I think we'll probably see a lot of cutting of material, though to be fair to D&D, a lot of what ends up getting cut probably wasn't even in the 1st draft (with the 5 year gap) anyway. edit: Seems contradictory then to think they might expand Jaqen's plot but not if you consider it tied to Arya, as a sort of characterization by extension. Still, you're right, most likely scenario is he's in Braavos. I'm not complaining, I love the character and actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kn1tt3r Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 It's only stated that he's recast. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's recast for the same role (the KM in 6 episodes seems A LOT to me), maybe even another major character (seems like a stretch though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cxvb Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Smart move on their part. As has been said, he was popular and they have one less character to introduce (and spare themselves having to repeat the exposition on the FM). Only downside I see is that Arya being "all alone in the world" won't come across as well. Then again, IMO they conveyed that well enough in S4 and I think they can do that in S5 with stuff like Arya being thrown out into the streets, lots of unfamiliar sights in quick montage and her turning back to find the door closed (or somesuch) easily enough. Sure, there's a difference between "belonging" to cult of killers who are strangers and having a known killer who is friendly on the surface back at HQ (though I'd be hard pressed to describe exactly what that difference is.) But then again, without interior monologue the nuances are likely to get lost anyway. Which is to say, even if the KM was someone else, there's no guarantee their relationship would be exactly like in the books and thus it remains to be seen, what, if anything, will be lost here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah, if Arya is only in 7 or 8, KM could definitely only appear in 6. At the same time, if he kills Balon & Pate, each of those could easily be 3 episodes (depending on how in depth they go with Balon). Stil, at 6 it seems KM is more likely. I don't know where this Balon / Jaqen things comes from, there is only a hint in the books of an assassin , and that assassin need not be a FM , or a particular FM. In fact it seems as if Balon may really have died in an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 No way. If we get to see Baln's death at all it will be one single scene in a single episode. Regarding the kindly man: A big problem is the fact that he is not just Arya's teacher, but also the boss of the Temple. I think Jaqen is just too young for that to play the role credibly. We may get a nameless extra for the kindly man with just a few lines and Jaqen will be Arya's mentor, similar to how in "Nikita" Tcheky Karyo was charged with being her mentor, but not the boss of the secret service. Actually , in the books, we never find out if he is really in charge of the House of Black and White, the KM seems some kind of Zen Master instructor. In fact in the books seems the only 'full time' Faceless persons in the House of Black and White are The Kindly Man and the Waif , there are acolytes about, we never seem to really meet any of them, and it seems, that a full FM 'priest' comes by sometimes as 'tour guides'. When we do meet a set of FM Guild members they don't seem to live at the House of Black and White, we don't know how many are on the road. By the books whenever Arya is staying at the House of Black and White she seems to have only the KM, the Waif (who are FM) and the cook (who is not , supposedly, a FM) to interact with, except for random people coming in ... and acolytes (who doesn't seem to interact with)...except for one scene it's going to be a small cast there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe he has the jet pack and will be killing Balon, teaching Arya and heading to Oldtown (maybe in season 6)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pies Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 This has probably has me more excited for S5 than even other big things like the Battle of Winterfell and Daznakh's Pit. Really, really smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadwood Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I don't know where this Balon / Jaqen things comes from, there is only a hint in the books of an assassin , and that assassin need not be a FM , or a particular FM.In fact it seems as if Balon may really have died in an accident.It's a pretty good hint, and the person who paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mop Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I don't know where this Balon / Jaqen things comes from, there is only a hint in the books of an assassin , and that assassin need not be a FM , or a particular FM.In fact it seems as if Balon may really have died in an accident. Actually, the High Heart's vision is specifically of a man without a face...the vision might be wrong, but it points pretty clearly to a faceless man if it is an assassination. Point being, if they're going to show a FM killing Balon, Jaqen makes more sense than rando other FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 It's a pretty good hint, and the person who paid for it. It's a pretty VAUGUE hint, and nothing really explicit about Balon's death is on the page , except he fell off a bridge during a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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