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#1 TheWitch

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:45 PM

I saw an old joking thread about the possible undertones of attraction that Jon gives towards Satin, and thought I'd make a serious one. As a gay man it means a lot to me to see gay characters and I loved Renly and Loras being a thing. Although it's a little presumptuous, if Jon is alive I'd love him and Satin to have a sexual/romantic encounter. I'd really like to see a lesbian character, not just a woman having an experimental moment. Which is fine, and I praise Martin for it, but a lesbian character confident in her sexuality would be cool. So what you all think. Should we have more gay. And even if it's a little silly, Jon and Satin :)



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:47 PM

Just seen a thread was started earlier! Fate decided it was to be discussed today I guess aha


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:53 PM

Lol I was just reading about Jon x Satin when I saw this new thread XD. On a more serious note, I would love to see one of the main character go homosexual(or bi). Possible homosexual pairs I can see:-

 

Jon and Satin

Dany and Missandei

Tyrion and Bronn(heck why not)



#4 ghosts in winterfell

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:56 PM

You can never have too much gay, IMO. Margaery kind of gives off lesbian vibes.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:59 PM

I saw an old joking thread about the possible undertones of attraction that Jon gives towards Satin, and thought I'd make a serious one. As a gay man it means a lot to me to see gay characters and I loved Renly and Loras being a thing. Although it's a little presumptuous, if Jon is alive I'd love him and Satin to have a sexual/romantic encounter. I'd really like to see a lesbian character, not just a woman having an experimental moment. Which is fine, and I praise Martin for it, but a lesbian character confident in her sexuality would be cool. So what you all think. Should we have more gay. And even if it's a little silly, Jon and Satin :)


I don't think there is supposed to be anything there between Jon and Satin. Without being rude, I think that's more a case of folk wanting it to happen*. I read Jon's repeated noting of Satin's looks as Martin's way of emphasising that he's a good looking fella. He's protective of him but some members of the Watch dislike Satin because of his past, and Jon identifies with - and wants to help - outsiders.

As a straight man I don't have any issues with more gay or lesbian - or bisexual - characters, so wrong as they're well written. Everyone likes to see themselves represented or characters they identify with, so why not?

Renly & Loras was well written. We've also got a bit of a bad ass in The Blackfish who may well be homosexual too, and Oberyn lay with men as well as women. None of those characters are written as a gay stereotype and their sexuality isn't the only noteworthy thing about them. I think that's important. There's got to be more to a character than the sexuality - no matter which way they swing.

*There must be some man-on-man lovin' at The Wall though.

Edited by It'sAlwaysWinterInScotland, 02 July 2014 - 01:00 PM.


#6 TheWitch

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:00 PM

I think that's homosexuality on the wall has kind of been lost as a topic because of the all the other crazy shit going down. Obviously there's moles town and stuff but I imagine that not everyone can get away with a going there, and need to get their kicks else where. I think Jon having a Bi experience would be an interesting plot point, too show that anyone can have a Lilly's curiosity in them. I always imagine Dany and missandei as sisters, and isn't she like ten??



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:02 PM

I also like Satin because he's a more feminine gay. I live gay stereotypes being broken down, but we can't pretend that all gays are rough and tough men. It's nice to show that Martin writes them as people not fem gays or Macho gays, but a mix.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:07 PM

Ehh well, I always thought Dany and Missandei were almost of an age. And besides, there's theories that she's a CotF XD And hence way older than she seems~

 

I agree about the Wall though. No time for love!

 

 

We've also got a bit of a bad ass in The Blackfish who may well be homosexual too

 

What?? When?? How?? How did I miss that??? :stunned:

 

 

 

I also like Satin because he's a more feminine gay. I live gay stereotypes being broken down, but we can't pretend that all gays are rough and tough men. It's nice to show that Martin writes them as people not fem gays or Macho gays, but a mix.

 

 

We don't know if he's really gay though. He might just be doing it for the money.


Edited by Krystalis, 02 July 2014 - 01:08 PM.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:08 PM

I also like Satin because he's a more feminine gay. I live gay stereotypes being broken down, but we can't pretend that all gays are rough and tough men. It's nice to show that Martin writes them as people not fem gays or Macho gays, but a mix.

I have the impression that being effeminate in Westeros would carry more of a stigma than being an actual homosexual. I am fairly sure that when Jon called Satin pretty as a girl, he did not mean it as a compliment. 



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:11 PM

Lol I was just reading about Jon x Satin when I saw this new thread XD. On a more serious note, I would love to see one of the main character go homosexual(or bi). Possible homosexual pairs I can see:-

 

Jon and Satin

Dany and Missandei

Tyrion and Bronn(heck why not)

 

Missandei is eleven, FFS...



#11 It'sAlwaysWinterInScotland

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:12 PM

 
What?? When?? How?? How did I miss that??? :stunned:
 
 
 
 
 
We don't know if he's really gay though. He might just be doing it for the money.


I think Brynden Tully refusing to marry - despite his brother's wishes - was supposed to leave it somewhat ambiguous as to whether he just wouldn't marry for political reasons (only for love) or because he's gay.

Is Satin actually gay, though? I know he was previously a whore and is a bit feminine, but again, I wasn't 100% convinced on first read that he's gay. Then again, Martin doesn't outright tell us with Renly & Loras either in ACOK.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

I wouldn't mind a Loras POV. 



#13 Krystalis

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

 

Missandei is eleven, FFS...

 

I don't see myself implying anything sexual. THAT might have been disturbing, I agree.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:15 PM

 

I don't see myself implying anything sexual. THAT might have been disturbing, I agree.

 

OK, so by "homosexual" you didn't mean anything sexual. You can see how i would make that erroneous assumption.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:16 PM

Well... there Dorne



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

I'm pretty confident that Satin is gay. Also I consider the feminine descriptions equating a more feminine gay, compared to the growing overly masculine archetype gay.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:21 PM

 

OK, so by "homosexual" you didn't mean anything sexual. You can see how i would make that erroneous assumption.

I think the 'sexual' we're talking about are two different thing. HomoSEXUAL is one's sexuality. Missandei doesn't need to have sexual thoughts about Dany to know that she likes her as a woman. And even if she does, doesn't mean they engage in such activities. I expressed that ship for future possibilities.



#18 Matoro

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:26 PM

How about Oberyn-prequel telling about his bedtime adventures around Westeros and Essos?



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:26 PM

In case you were unaware, Connington is also almost certainly homosexual (far more certain than the Blackfish.) and in love with Rhaegar.

 

Robert Baratheon had been hiding somewhere in the town, wounded and alone. Jon Connington had known that, and he had also known that Robert’s head upon a spear would have put an end to the rebellion, then and there. He was young and full of pride. How not? King Aerys had named him Hand and given him an army, and he meant to prove himself worthy of that trust, of Rhaegar’s love.

 

 

Edit: there are also gay characters in The Princess and The Queen and The Rouge Prince, and of course Daemon II Blackfyre from the last Dunk & Egg story


Edited by RumHam, 02 July 2014 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

How about Oberyn-prequel telling about his bedtime adventures around Westeros and Essos?

 

:agree: