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Victarion most evil character?


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#1 Storm Knight

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:27 PM

Why don't many people see this?

He kills people for laughing at him and burns women alive whose screams sound like a beautiful song to him.

 

List of most evil in my opinion.

 

1. Ramsay

2. Victarion

3. Gregor

4. Clayton Suggs

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 Arya somewhere down the line for her disturbing lack of empathy.

 

 



#2 Ser Gregor Clegane

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:29 PM

You think Vic is one of the most evil but fail to mention Euron?  :wacko:



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:32 PM

What about the bastard boxt, thr mountains men the bloody mummers ,rorge and biter?

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:51 PM

I did think Victarion's actions as of late have been pretty evil, but also, it's a bit more than that. His actions lie more along the lines of misguided religious interpretations. He is continuously mentioning how he wished Damphair was with him so he could get help in understanding things, and when he has the maester killed and the ship with the girl burned, he uses religion as his reasoning, but perhaps the underlying basis would be that he's uses that as a cover for his own evil tendencies. 



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:55 PM

Victarion has standards, as far-fetched as it sounds to some. When Euron was humiliating the Lord, wife and daughters of a castle he took, Victarion was all "dude, that's so wrong...".



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:00 PM

Victarion has standards, as far-fetched as it sounds to some. When Euron was humiliating the Lord, wife and daughters of a castle he took, Victarion was all "dude, that's so wrong...".

 

Yeah.

 

He also has respect for his foes, and finds slavery appalling. (Though he doesn't exactly realize that thralldom is very similar)

 

Vic is more easily misguided than anything, be it by his cultural upbringing or by Moqorro's persuasion.



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:02 PM

Euron is worse. But Vic burned female slaves alive, his offering to the Fire God and the Drowned God, despite the fact we have no evidence that the Red God hates sex at all.



#8 Boarsbane

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

He is bad but not near as bad as Gregor, at least not yet.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

Let's not forget people like Aerys, Roose, Walder, Ceresi, Amory Loche, Tickler and most of the slavers at slavers bay. Also Littlefinger.

 

These guys make Vic seem like a saint, Vic doesn't see the point in the prolonged suffering of his victims a rare trait in the Ironborn. ( apart from Theon and Asha I can't remember any other Ironscum who doesn't strike me as sadist .)



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:09 PM

Let's not forget people like Aerys, Roose, Walder, Ceresi, Amory Loche, Tickler and most of the slavers at slavers bay. Also Littlefinger.
 
These guys make Vic seem like a saint, Vic doesn't see the point in the prolonged suffering of his victims a rare trait in the Ironborn. ( apart from Theon and Asha I can't remember any other Ironscum who doesn't strike me as sadist .)


The Reader, Tris, Qarl, Dagmar, probably more I can't think of

Edited by Boarsbane, 03 July 2014 - 06:09 PM.


#11 Leap

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:10 PM

I'm pretty sure the prevailing opinion of this board is not that Victarion is ever-so saintly. People are well aware that he is a bloodthirsty ironborn, but he's not another Ramsay by any means. 



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:20 PM

I thought his three-way tribute was kind of clever.



#13 Rhaegar I Targaryen

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:27 PM

Ramsay is much worse IMO. 



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:31 PM

Vic is a brute sure but evil? No. 

 

 

As RedBeard told:

 

Victarion has standards, as far-fetched as it sounds to some. When Euron was humiliating the Lord, wife and daughters of a castle he took, Victarion was all "dude, that's so wrong...".


Edited by Jon's Queen Consort, 03 July 2014 - 06:32 PM.


#15 TheOldWolf

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:38 PM

how the heck is Vic more evil than the Mountain. The mountain gang raped little girls, smashed baby's faces into walls, and does it all for the fun of it

#16 Rhaegar I Targaryen

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:51 PM

how the heck is Vic more evil than the Mountain. The mountain gang raped little girls, smashed baby's faces into walls, and does it all for the fun of it

 

I agree with this. 

 

It seems people are always digging to find someone (for whatever reason) who is worse than Ramsay or Gregor. 

 

There pretty much isn't anything awful that they haven't done. We're talking murder, rape, and worse. 



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:52 PM

There pretty much isn't anything awful that they haven't done. We're talking murder, rape, and worse. 

Am I the only one who remembers of Hannibal after seeing this gif?



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:57 PM

I don't see him as evil.. I just picture him as stupid, bitchy and foolhardy... Like Tywin and Stannis, he is proof that people without sense of humor have an enhanced sense of self-importance... He's also a puppet, of either Balon, of Euron, the Damphair and probably of Dark flame.

Gregor and Euron on the other side are plainly twisted and enjoy killing, raping and so on and on... Victarion too, but he at least feels a little remorse after the deal is done.



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:06 PM

I did think Victarion's actions as of late have been pretty evil, but also, it's a bit more than that. His actions lie more along the lines of misguided religious interpretations. He is continuously mentioning how he wished Damphair was with him so he could get help in understanding things, and when he has the maester killed and the ship with the girl burned, he uses religion as his reasoning, but perhaps the underlying basis would be that he's uses that as a cover for his own evil tendencies.

 
 

how the heck is Vic more evil than the Mountain. The mountain gang raped little girls, smashed baby's faces into walls, and does it all for the fun of it

 
If we had Gregor's POV, I'm sure we'd have a different opinion. Gregor suffers from terrible headaches which clearly affect his reasoning skills. Gregor always reminded me of the Outsider by Lovecraft - http://en.wikipedia....r_(short_story)
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Victarion might have his own moral code, but he still does awful, evil things.
Gregor could have a moral code - is he any different than a bear that's lost some fur?

Does Ramsay do everything he does to gain Roose's approval?

Ultimately, it doesn't matter - they're all horrible and their behaviour can't be justified at all.

But they all pale compared to the evilness of Bonifer Hasty.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:07 PM

Like Tywin and Stannis, he is proof that people without sense of humor have an enhanced sense of self-importance...


Stannis is hilarious. [on purpose!]

Edited by Ruthven, 03 July 2014 - 07:08 PM.